A neuroplasticity pioneer explains how adults rewire their brains through focus, friction, reflection, sleep, and vagus nerve stimulation.

Dr. Michael Kilgard: Professor at the University of Texas at Dallas and one of the world's leading neuroplasticity researchers. In the late 1990s he and colleagues showed the adult brain can be massively rewired when neuromodulators are triggered at the right time; he now pioneers vagus nerve stimulation to treat stroke, tinnitus, PTSD, and spinal cord injury.
Andrew Huberman and Dr. Michael Kilgard explore how the brain changes across the lifespan, from childhood developmental plasticity to adult learning. They build a practical model of what plasticity requires: focus, friction (self-generated effort), reflection, and sleep, plus the timed release of neuromodulators (acetylcholine, norepinephrine, serotonin, dopamine). Kilgard explains his discovery that stimulating any of these neuromodulators paired with experience can dramatically accelerate rewiring, and how he translated this into vagus nerve stimulation devices that 'trick' the brain into a learning-ready state. They discuss FDA-approved treatments for stroke and tinnitus, clinical results for spinal cord injury and PTSD, and the limits of drugs, psychedelics, and consumer brain-stimulation gadgets. The conversation closes on optimism that complex brain disorders will yield to combination therapies of devices, drugs, and training.
“Confession here, I take 500 milligrams of it every morning. Makes you feel pretty good. It's a little mild stimulant. I've been doing that for years.”— Andrew Huberman
Andrew Huberman
“I have a brief announcement to make about my upcoming book, 'Protocols: An Operating Manual for the Human Body.'”— Andrew Huberman
Baby Einstein
“there's a company called Baby Einstein, and they play, you know, Spanish or French... But we don't really know how much of these languages should they be exposed to.”— Michael Kilgard
“if I want to learn something... I will occasionally take, you know, these are very low dosages, 2 milligrams of nicotine.”— Andrew Huberman
“The drug's anticholinergics like scopolamine, atropine. These are drugs that block acetylcholine.”— Michael Kilgard
“We give some drops. The eyedrops make it a little bit blurry... Atropine costs pennies, it's super safe, it's just an eye drop.”— Michael Kilgard
Eli Lilly
“We took the therapy... and then add the selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor... we gave them Prozac. And... it didn't do anything.”— Michael Kilgard
Novartis
“Ritalin has effects on growth... if you take Ritalin, you'll end up being about an inch shorter. This is just an off target effect.”— Michael Kilgard
“Did Adderall, did all of them. Paired with a tone, and it just didn't change anything.”— Michael Kilgard
Novo Nordisk
“a large number of people who could not lose weight any other way are seeing great success by taking Wegovy, and Ozempic, and related drugs.”— Andrew Huberman
“supplementing with NAC, N-acetyl cysteine... can support glutathione production and detoxification, and... that approach worked.”— Andrew Huberman