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Diary of a CEO · 2025-11-17

World No.1 Sleep Expert: Magnesium Isn’t Helping You Sleep! This Habit Increases Heart Disease 57%!

Sleep neuroscientist Matthew Walker returns with new research debunking magnesium, the 8-hour myth, and unveils a sleeping pill he actually trusts.

World No.1 Sleep Expert: Magnesium Isn’t Helping You Sleep! This Habit Increases Heart Disease 57%!
The guest

Matthew Walker: Neuroscientist and professor specializing in sleep, author of the bestseller 'Why We Sleep,' and one of the world's most prominent voices on the science of sleep.

What this episode covers

Matthew Walker walks Steven Bartlett through the latest sleep science, including new evidence that you can 'bank' sleep before a period of deprivation and that heart health (unlike other systems) can recover from weekend catch-up sleep. He introduces his framework of four sleep macros (quantity, quality, regularity, timing) and argues regularity now beats quantity at predicting mortality. He debunks popular fixes like the blue-light scare, high-dose melatonin, and magnesium supplementation, while explaining why ashwagandha and phosphatidylserine can help. The conversation covers the function of REM and deep sleep, nightmares as a suicide-risk biomarker, the new DORA class of sleeping medications that promote naturalistic sleep, genetic short sleepers, and how fasting and ketosis disrupt sleep via orexin. It closes on a personal note about love, conflict, and not taking partners for granted.

Recommended on this episode

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Suvorexant

Merck

“I actually favor / please look into them if you're struggling with insomnia”
“the doras drugs, please look into them if you're struggling with insomnia... the first new class of sleeping medication that I actually favor”— Matthew Walker
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Lemborexant

Eisai

“I actually favor / please look into them if you're struggling with insomnia”
“the doras drugs, please look into them if you're struggling with insomnia... the first new class of sleeping medication that I actually favor”— Matthew Walker
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Daridorexant

Idorsia

“I actually favor / please look into them if you're struggling with insomnia”
“the doras drugs, please look into them if you're struggling with insomnia... the first new class of sleeping medication that I actually favor”— Matthew Walker

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

Why We Sleep

Matthew Walker

“my life after publishing the book that you're holding changed forever and almost all for the better”— Matthew Walker

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Magnesium L-threonate

various

“There is one form of magnesium that seems to have some evidence in favor of it. It's called magnesium L-threonate”— Matthew Walker
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Ashwagandha

various

“Ashwagandha and another compound called phosphatidylserine... both of these supplements seem to help do one of two things”— Matthew Walker
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Phosphatidylserine

various

“they either ratchet down the fight-or-flight branch of your nervous system, and they can also reduce the amount of cortisol”— Matthew Walker
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Melatonin

various

“when it comes to melatonin, be careful. More isn't always better. And you run the risk of confusing your morning brain into a dense nighttime fog”— Matthew Walker
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Lunesta

Sunovion

“the web 2.0, those were things like Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata”— Matthew Walker
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Sonata

Pfizer

“the web 2.0, those were things like Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata”— Matthew Walker
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Prazosin

various generic

“he had been treating his war veterans... with a blood pressure medication called prazosin... it ultimately became one of the only prescribed medications... for repetitive nightmares”— Matthew Walker
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Calm

Calm

“the meditation company called Calm, now I have no affiliation with them... they created sleep stories... they are wonderfully soporific”— Matthew Walker
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Whoop

Whoop

“my sleep will reduce to about five, six hours. My Whoop scores plummet until I kind of come out the other end”— Steven Bartlett
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Modafinil

various

“when my friends often like talk to me about... take modafinil and everything will be fine... I go, Yeah, but what's the trade-off?”— Matthew Walker
MediaReferenced

Memento

Christopher Nolan

“Clive was the man who the movie Memento was based on, which is a movie where a man has brain damage and he has profound amnesia”— Matthew Walker

Big reveals from this episode

  • New research shows you CAN 'bank' sleep in advance: army cadets who pre-extended sleep suffered 40% less cognitive impairment during deprivation.
  • The blue-light scare is largely a myth; phones disrupt sleep by being activating attention-capture devices, not via blue light.
  • Regularity beat quantity at predicting all-cause mortality, a result Walker says surprised the entire sleep field.
  • Magnesium mostly creates 'expensive urine' for non-deficient people because common forms don't cross the blood-brain barrier.
  • Nightmares carry an 800% higher likelihood of suicidal tendencies and act as a 'canary in the coal mine.'
  • Walker endorses a new third-generation class of sleeping pills (DORAs) that promote naturalistic sleep instead of sedation.
  • Genetic short sleepers exist (DEC2, ADRB1 genes), but you're statistically more likely to be struck by lightning than to carry the gene.
  • In a rare personal admission, Walker says he has found 'the one' and the deepest peace and happiness of his life.

Worth remembering

  • Irregular bedtimes raise premature-death risk ~49% and cardiometabolic disease risk 57% versus regular sleepers.
  • Melatonin only speeds falling asleep by about 3.4 minutes and boosts sleep efficiency ~2.2%, barely above placebo.
  • US pediatric melatonin poisoning hospital admissions rose 503% over a decade.
  • The '8 hours' rule is a myth; the real healthy range is 7 to 9 hours, and the % of people who thrive on under 6 is zero.
  • The meditation app Calm became a unicorn after launching celebrity-narrated sleep stories.
  • It took Ambien just 22 months to earn what took the Star Wars franchise ~30 years (about $4 billion).
  • PTSD nightmares improved when veterans were given the blood-pressure drug prazosin, which lowers brain noradrenaline.
  • Dieting on insufficient sleep means ~70% of weight lost comes from muscle, not fat.
  • DORA-class drugs increased overnight clearance of Alzheimer's-linked beta amyloid and tau, proving the sleep was 'functional.'
  • A sleep-deprived person has 711 genes distorted in their activity, affecting immunity, inflammation, and cardiovascular risk.