Computational neuroscientist Terry Sejnowski explains how a single learning algorithm drives motivation, how to learn better, and why AI and brains are converging.

Dr. Terry Sejnowski: Professor at the Salk Institute who directs the Computational Neurobiology Laboratory and is a pioneer of computational neuroscience and machine learning. He co-created the Boltzmann machine with Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton and co-founded the wildly popular 'Learning How to Learn' online course.
Andrew Huberman and Terry Sejnowski explore how the brain works at the 'algorithmic' level between molecules and behavior, centering on the reinforcement-learning value function that governs all motivation via dopamine. They contrast cognitive vs. procedural learning and argue both are essential, warning against schools dropping practice-based learning. The conversation covers practical tools for better learning, sleep spindles and memory consolidation, exercise and mitochondria as the key to lifelong energy, and the surprising parallels between large language models and the human brain. They also dig into ketamine, schizophrenia, the glutamate hypothesis, Parkinson's, free will, consciousness, dreams, and how AI can act as an 'idea pump' to forage future scientific discoveries.
Terry Sejnowski and Patricia Churchland
“I have a u Pat church and I wrote a book computational Brain and in it there's this levels diagram”— Terry Sejnowski
Barbara Oakley and Terry Sejnowski (Coursera)
“Barbara Oakley ... and I have a a moo massive open online course on learning how to learn ... it's free completely free”— Terry Sejnowski
Terry Sejnowski
“my book uh chat GDP in the future of AI I went through and I looked at other people's experiences with chat GDP”— Terry Sejnowski
Andrew Huberman
“I have a new book coming out ... it's entitled protocols and operating manual for the human body ... available by pre-sale at protocols book.com”— Andrew Huberman
Sanofi
“there's a drug called zulum which um is is goes by the the name ambian ... it causes uh more sleep spindles”— Terry Sejnowski
OpenAI
“chat GDP is the first so that's why it's kind of taken over a lot of the uh cognitive space ... it's it's become like Kleenex”— Terry Sejnowski
“there such as Google's Gemini recently did some fine tuning with uh what's called uh you know chain of of reasoning”— Terry Sejnowski
Robert Sapolsky
“you've got people like Robert spolski wrote the book determined he doesn't believe in Free Will”— Andrew Huberman