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Tim Ferriss · 2023-06-19

How to Learn Better & Create Your Best Future | Tim Ferriss

Tim Ferriss breaks down his system for spotting future trends, learning fast, psychedelic philanthropy, and the personal traumas that shaped his work.

How to Learn Better & Create Your Best Future | Tim Ferriss
The guest

Tim Ferriss: Five-time #1 New York Times bestselling author (The 4-Hour Workweek, Body, Chef), pioneering podcaster of The Tim Ferriss Show, startup investor, and major philanthropic funder of psychedelic mental-health research.

What this episode covers

Andrew Huberman interviews Tim Ferriss on the 9-year anniversary of The Tim Ferriss Show. They explore Ferriss's method for 'seeing around corners' by studying the new, the old, and the orphaned, plus questions like 'what are the nerds doing on weekends' and 'what are rich people doing now.' The conversation covers the science and practicality of the Slow Carb Diet, self-experimentation with CGMs, cold exposure, and supplements (including failures), then his journey into psychedelics and the Saisei Foundation's funding of research, fellowships, and policy work. Ferriss also discusses networking, mentorship, meditation, time in nature, his creative project Cockpunch, and ends with deeply personal accounts of his near-suicide in college and childhood sexual abuse.

Recommended on this episode

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Built to Move

Kelly Starrett

“his great book he's so good”
“his new book yeah built to move his great book he's so good yeah he he really not only talks the talk but walks the walk”— Tim Ferriss
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Why We Sleep

Matthew Walker

“seminal book ... the majority of it is just spot on and Hyper legitimate so good”
“Matt Walker's seminal book right why we sleep which I really see as the book that shifted a lot of people”— Tim Ferriss
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Don't Shoot the Dog

Karen Pryor

“terrible title but excellent book ... read don't shoot the dog it's it's excellent”
“there's a quote also from a book called Don't Shoot the dog which is terrible title but excellent book written by Karen PRI”— Tim Ferriss
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Waking Up (app)

Sam Harris

“the waking up app by Sam Harris is fantastic”
“I have no vested interest in this app but I think the waking up app by Sam Harris is fantastic I have do I I have used the introductory course”— Tim Ferriss
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Scrivener

Literature & Latte

“I still like to use a program called scrivener”
“I was using at the time and I still like to use a program called scrivener which is actually designed predominantly for screenwriting”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

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The 4-Hour Body

Tim Ferriss

“the 4 our body represented an opportunity for me to do a few things the first was to diversify my identity”— Tim Ferriss
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The 4-Hour Workweek

Tim Ferriss

“that is what directly LED ultimately to the hockey stick for the 4our work week within Tech within specifically San Francisco”— Tim Ferriss
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The 4-Hour Chef

Tim Ferriss

“this is finishing the 4our chef this is actually probably in the Years preceding that and I had one friend”— Tim Ferriss
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Tools of Titans

Tim Ferriss

“there was a bit in tools of Titans to address that on more extended fasts let's just call it three to 7 day fasts”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

The Legend of Punch (Cockpunch)

Tim Ferriss

“this ridiculous project called punch people can find the legend of punch on uh any fine provider of podcasts and hired voice actors did the scripting”— Tim Ferriss
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The Tim Ferriss Show

Tim Ferriss

“it also marked the 9-year anniversary of his podcast the Tim ferah show now as I mentioned earlier Tim is known for being able to see around corners”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Evernote

Evernote

“I would gather from say the web using a Web Clipper from Evernote which I was involved with as a company”— Tim Ferriss
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Dexcom

Dexcom

“which then led me to use the very early versions of Dexcom which were really painful to implant no longer the case of course”— Tim Ferriss
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Bad Science

Ben Goldacre

“you should really make every effort to not fool yourself which is hard ... read books like bad science read books like How to lie with Statistics”— Tim Ferriss
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How to Lie with Statistics

Darrell Huff

“read books like bad science read books like How to lie with Statistics ensure that you are able to read studies well”— Tim Ferriss
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Altered Traits

Daniel Goleman and Richard Davidson

“the book altered traits is the one that comes to mind group out of Wisconsin was early to early to the game on this”— Andrew Huberman
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Gold (Rumi poetry)

Rumi, translated by Haleh Liza Gafori

“I gave you a book which is a short collection of poetry by uh haliza Gori which is called gold it's a collection of roomy poetry”— Andrew Huberman
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Chicken Soup for the Soul

Jack Canfield and Mark Victor Hansen

“that's how I got to know say Jack Canfield who is the co-creator of Chicken Soup for the Soul and many others who introduced me to my book agent”— Tim Ferriss

Big reveals from this episode

  • Ferriss was an early CGM self-experimenter, implanting painful early Dexcom devices himself when they were limited to type 1 diabetics.
  • His best writing happens in 'witching hours' from roughly 10pm to 4am, sleeping until 11am or noon.
  • He crowdfunded a Hopkins psilocybin pilot study for treatment-resistant depression to test whether the reputational 'third rail' fear of psychedelics was real, and found almost no blowback.
  • His NFT/fiction project Cockpunch raised almost $2 million in 30-40 minutes, all donated to the Saisei Foundation.
  • A stranger told Ferriss his brother, a fan, had died by suicide, prompting Ferriss to write publicly about his own near-suicide.
  • Ferriss reveals he had planned his own suicide in college with a date on the calendar, narrowly interrupted by a misdirected library postcard.
  • Ferriss discloses he was sexually abused by a babysitter's son from ages 2 to 4, a secret he kept his whole life before going public.
  • After publishing his abuse podcast, about half his high-performing male friends disclosed their own abuse for the first time.

Worth remembering

  • Huberman compares Ferriss to Nobel laureate Ramon y Cajal for his ability to predict useful future directions years ahead.
  • Ferriss cites William Gibson: 'the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed', he just finds seeds already germinating.
  • Practitioners (coaches whose jobs depend on results) are typically 3-5 years ahead of peer-reviewed science.
  • Slow Carb Diet rules: don't drink calories, don't eat anything white, no fruit/fructose, 30g protein within 30 min of waking, one weekly cheat day.
  • Ferriss stopped using trans-resveratrol after experiencing tendonosis-like elbow joint pain at 500mg daily.
  • Bulbine natalensis spiked his testosterone hard but crashed him below baseline with back acne and testicular pain after 7-10 days.
  • To learn a skill, target the silver or bronze medalist, not the famous champion, often $100-200/hour and more relatable.
  • Switching to systematic, supervised psychedelic use cut his depressive episodes from 3-4 per year to roughly one every two years.
  • Ferriss does an annual 'past year review' (PYR), listing peak positive and negative experiences to build a do-more/do-less list.
  • Karen Pryor's principle: people shouldn't have children until they've successfully trained a chicken using only positive reinforcement.