Home Andrew Huberman Episode
Andrew Huberman · 2021-08-23

Understanding & Conquering Depression

Huberman breaks down the biology of major depression and the science-backed tools, drugs, and diets that can treat it.

Understanding & Conquering Depression
The guest

Andrew Huberman: Professor of Neurobiology and Ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab Podcast. This is a solo episode with no outside guest.

What this episode covers

In this solo episode, Andrew Huberman delivers a deep dive into major (unipolar) depression, covering its symptomology, underlying neurochemistry, and evidence-based treatments. He explains the roles of norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin, plus the contributions of stress, cortisol, thyroid hormone, genetics, and inflammation. He then maps science-backed tools to those mechanisms: EPA omega-3s, exercise, creatine, fermented foods, and ketogenic diet. Finally he surveys cutting-edge clinical therapies including ketamine, PCP, and psilocybin, emphasizing neuroplasticity and the role of layer five of the cortex.

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

ProductReferenced

Prozac (fluoxetine)

Eli Lilly

“some of those drugs include things like Prozac or Zoloft, the more typical names or more generic names are things like fluoxetine”— Andrew Huberman
ProductReferenced

Zoloft (sertraline)

Pfizer

“some of those drugs include things like Prozac or Zoloft, the more typical names or more generic names are things like fluoxetine”— Andrew Huberman
ProductReferenced

Wellbutrin (bupropion)

GlaxoSmithKline

“There are drugs like Wellbutrin, which function more specifically on the dopamine system to increase dopamine and they also increase norepinephrine.”— Andrew Huberman
ProductReferenced

Tylenol

Johnson & Johnson

“There's actually some data showing that pain relievers, Tylenol, Aspirin, these sorts of things, can help certain people with emotional pain.”— Andrew Huberman
ProductReferenced

Xanax

Pfizer

“the benzodiazepines and things of the Xanax, variety, Valium, and so forth. Those increased GABA transmission.”— Andrew Huberman
ProductReferenced

Valium

Roche

“the benzodiazepines and things of the Xanax, variety, Valium, and so forth. Those increased GABA transmission.”— Andrew Huberman

Big reveals from this episode

  • Huberman paraphrases Anna Lembke's pleasure-pain balance, arguing chasing pleasure tips the balance toward pain, craving, and eventually anhedonia and depression.
  • He shares an anonymized real case of a 21-year-old man whose depression is thought to stem from overindulgence in video games and other highly dopaminergic activities.
  • EPA omega-3 fatty acids at roughly 1000 mg can match SSRIs at relieving depressive symptoms and can lower the effective SSRI dose.
  • Creatine supplementation, normally a fitness aid, is shown in double-blind studies to improve mood and major depression via the forebrain phosphocreatine system.
  • Ketamine and PCP, both drugs of abuse, are being used in clinics to treat depression by blocking the NMDA receptor and inducing neuroplasticity.
  • A 2021 JAMA Psychiatry trial found psilocybin-assisted therapy relieved depression in 50-70% of subjects, often after just one or two doses.
  • Psilocybin's antidepressant benefit does not depend on the subjective content of the trip; different experiences still produce relief.
  • The ketogenic diet can relieve depression, especially in treatment-refractory patients, by increasing GABA transmission in the brain.

Worth remembering

  • Dopamine is the molecule of craving, motivation, and drive, not the molecule of reward.
  • Major depression affects 5% of the population and is the number four cause of disability.
  • Early-morning waking around 3-5 AM with inability to fall back asleep despite exhaustion is a common sign of major depression.
  • A 9 PM peak in cortisol is one of the physiological signatures of depressive states.
  • About 20% of people with major depression have low thyroid hormone.
  • Carriers of the 5HTTLPR serotonin transporter polymorphism need far fewer bouts of stress to lapse into depression.
  • For every gram of EPA ingested, there is roughly a 9% improvement in cardiovascular health.
  • Tryptophan from food converts to serotonin, but inflammation diverts it down a neurotoxic pathway producing quinolinic acid.
  • The ketogenic diet was originally developed as a medical treatment for pediatric epilepsy, not weight loss.
  • Eating two to four servings of fermented foods daily tunes the gut microbiome and lowers inflammatory cytokines (Sonnenberg Lab, Cell).