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Tim Ferriss · 2022-05-11

Richard Wiseman on Lessons from Dale Carnegie, Mentalism, The Psychology of the Paranormal, and More

Psychologist and magician Richard Wiseman on the science of luck, lying, dreams, the paranormal, and why so many famous studies are myths.

Richard Wiseman on Lessons from Dale Carnegie, Mentalism, The Psychology of the Paranormal, and More
The guest

Richard Wiseman: Professor of the Public Understanding of Psychology at the University of Hertfordshire, former professional magician, and author of bestselling books (The Luck Factor, 59 Seconds, Paranormality) with psychology YouTube videos (Quirkology) exceeding 500 million views.

What this episode covers

Tim Ferriss interviews Richard Wiseman, a former professional magician who became one of the world's most creative psychologists, holding Britain's only professorship in the public understanding of psychology. They cover Wiseman's parapsychology research and its surprising role in sparking psychology's replication crisis, his mass participation studies (lie detection, the world's funniest joke), and why mentalists, cold readers, and psychics usually fool themselves rather than consciously cheat. The conversation ranges across NLP debunking, lucid dreaming and night terrors, practical insomnia fixes, the malleability of memory and observation, and the psychology of the Apollo mission controllers who 'achieved the impossible.' Throughout, Wiseman stresses tracking down original sources, citing the famous Yale goal study as a complete myth that pervades self-help literature.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

Quirkology (YouTube channel)

Richard Wiseman

“which i highly recommend”
“his psychology-based youtube videos which i highly recommend have garnered more than 500 million views”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

An Honest Liar

“one of my favorite documentaries”
“i was showing a friend of mine a trailer for one of my favorite documentaries which is an honest liar about the amazing randy”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommended

A Mortal Man

Derek DelGaudio

“i read his book a moral man which i greatly enjoyed”
“derek delgaudio who i've never met but we've texted a little bit i read his book a moral man which i greatly enjoyed”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

In & Of Itself

Derek DelGaudio

“which i highly recommend to folks”
“his show in and of itself which i highly recommend to folks i think it's a master class it's storytelling and stage presence”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

Dealt

“watch the trailer for delt about this card mechanic named richard turner it's incredible”
“i don't know if you've ever seen dealt about richard turner who i then ended up interviewing i mean just his entire story”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Why We Sleep

Matthew Walker

“fantastic book”
“i'm reading a book right now by matt walker why we sleep... matt is a very credible scientist he really knows his neuroscience fantastic book”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming

Stephen LaBerge

“which i found to be very practical”
“i read a book named exploring the world of lucid dreaming by stephen laberge which i found to be very practical”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

How to Win Friends and Influence People

Dale Carnegie

“they are two of the greatest books ever written”
“i got into psychology partly through the magic but also partly through dale carnegie how to win friends and influence people”— Richard Wiseman
BookRecommendedISBN verified

How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

Dale Carnegie

“they are two of the greatest books ever written”
“how to win friends and influence people and how to stop worrying and start living... they are two of the greatest books ever written”— Richard Wiseman
BookRecommendedISBN verified

How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

Dale Carnegie

“i really recommend it to people”
“how to stop worrying and start living is a book i've reread many times i really recommend it to people if they feel like they suffer from anxiety”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

Man on Wire

“it has to be one of the greatest documentaries ever made”
“man on wire... it has to be one of the greatest documentaries ever made... if there's any inspirational film for me it's that one”— Richard Wiseman
MediaRecommended

Miracle

Derren Brown

“which i think is fantastic”
“i remember watching miracle by darren brown which i think is fantastic... it's a spectacular show i've seen it twice”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Luck Factor: The Scientific Study of the Lucky Mind

Richard Wiseman

“his books on psychology which include the luck factor the scientific study of the lucky mind and 59 seconds think a little change a lot have sold more than 3 million copies”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

59 Seconds: Think a Little, Change a Lot

Richard Wiseman

“his books on psychology which include the luck factor the scientific study of the lucky mind and 59 seconds think a little change a lot have sold more than 3 million copies”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Paranormality: Why We See What Isn't There

Richard Wiseman

“what about paranormality... paranormality is is why we believe things aren't true and it's quite a deep dive into the psychology of that”— Richard Wiseman
BookBy the guest

Night School: The Life-Changing Science of Sleep

Richard Wiseman

“i did a book called sleep school night school sorry can be good if i remembered the title of my own book night school”— Richard Wiseman
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Shoot for the Moon: The Mission Controllers Who Put Apollo on the Moon

Richard Wiseman

“i did shoot for the moon or moonshot as it's called in america which unpacks the psychology of that”— Richard Wiseman

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

Slate Star Codex: The Control Group Is Out of Control

Scott Alexander

“the piece is called the control group is out of control which is recommended to be by my brother who has a phd in statistics”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

Harry Potter (series)

J.K. Rowling

“ended up at i want to say the cafe where jk rowling wrote the first in this in the series of harry potter”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

Bad Vegan

“it's called bad vegan and it's about a restaurateur who is seduced into marrying a con artist... it's supposed to be just spectacular television”— Tim Ferriss

Big reveals from this episode

  • In the staring-detection study, Wiseman's skeptic-run trials showed no effect while believer colleague Marilyn Schlitz's trials did - a clear experimenter effect; larger replications produced complete null results.
  • Parapsychology, specifically Daryl Bem's precognition study that failed to replicate, became the bizarre catalyst for the entire replication-crisis movement now improving mainstream psychology.
  • In Wiseman's first mass participation lie-detection experiment with 30,000 callers, people watching video detected lies at chance (50%), but accuracy jumped to 61-70% when they only read transcripts or heard audio.
  • Wiseman experimentally tested the NLP claim that eye direction reveals lying, using both staged thefts and real police missing-person press conferences - it showed no validity at all.
  • The widely cited Yale/Harvard goal study (3% with written goals later out-earning the other 97% combined) was never actually run - it is a complete myth spread through self-help books and the web.
  • With suggestion, about 40-50% of people will swear they saw a bent key continue bending or a seance table levitate, demonstrating how malleable memory and observation are.
  • The Apollo mission controllers averaged about 21 years old at start and 28 when Armstrong walked on the moon - mostly first-in-family university students from rural backgrounds, chosen for passion and teamwork.
  • Most psychics, mediums, and remote viewers are not consciously faking; they fool themselves via confirmation bias and treating creative pattern-matching of dreams or guesses as genuine ability.

Worth remembering

  • Wiseman is a member of the Inner Magic Circle, an elite group of only about 300 magicians worldwide, and performed at the Magic Castle in Hollywood as a teenager.
  • His Laugh Lab study to find the world's funniest joke drew about a million participants and required a full-time employee to remove rude jokes, who amassed a compilation of 40,000 disgusting ones.
  • Wiseman ran what he believes was the first social-media psychology experiment - a remote viewing study on Twitter where followers tried to guess his location (they couldn't).
  • Wiseman suffered from night terrors and joked you can fake one to make a partner get up; he later learned night terrors fade in a cold room and when anxiety is reduced.
  • Getting children (and adults) to re-visualize a recurring nightmare with a positive ending has roughly a 90% success rate at reducing it within a short period.
  • A paradoxical insomnia technique: actively try to keep your eyes open and stay awake, which exhausts you and makes you fall asleep faster.
  • The 'world's funniest joke' Wiseman's study produced involves two hunters in a wood; he refuses to tell it on air due to social pressure to laugh, pointing people to the web instead.
  • Wiseman's 'luck diary' is based on habituation research - recording one daily gratitude or positive item resets attention and gradually shifts people's self-identity toward being luckier.
  • A door-knocker on Wiseman's shelf is an expensive magic prop that knocks on its own, which he uses to convince visiting children his old house is haunted.
  • A veteran performer keeps shows fresh by standing in the wings imagining the day he can no longer perform, letting the sadness sink in, then saying 'it's not tonight though' before going on.