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Andrew Huberman · 2025-05-05

Contracts of Love & Money That Make or Break Relationships | James Sexton

A veteran divorce lawyer reframes prenups as an act of love, arguing the hard conversations they force are what make marriages last.

Contracts of Love & Money That Make or Break Relationships | James Sexton
The guest

James Sexton: A New York family-law attorney with 25 years specializing in prenuptial agreements and divorce, known as a media-savvy 'voice of reason' on love and law. Author of the relationship book How to Stay in Love and co-founder of the prenup platform trustedprenup.com.

What this episode covers

Andrew Huberman and divorce lawyer James Sexton reframe marriage as both an economy and a contract, arguing that everyone already has a 'prenup' written by their state legislature unless they write their own. Sexton makes the counterintuitive case that prenuptial agreements deepen intimacy and trust because the conversations they require force couples to discuss fears, needs, and what they owe each other while still optimistic. The two range across infidelity, gender differences in divorce, the corrosive effect of social media and pornography on relationship expectations, and why small everyday moments of connection matter more than grand gestures. Sexton repeatedly insists that honesty, bravery, and vulnerability, not fairy-tale illusions, are what build lasting love. He closes on the idea that a relationship's value isn't measured by its longevity but by whether the two people made each other's lives better.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

True Romance

Tony Scott

“Everyone should see that movie”
“I saw you on a podcast and you were talking about the movie, True Romance. I love that movie. Everyone should see that movie who's old enough.”— Andrew Huberman
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Love on the Spectrum

Netflix

“I literally cry every episode”
“I watch Love on the Spectrum. I literally cry every episode. If you ever want to just feel the most affirmed you'll ever feel in your life”— James Sexton

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

How to Stay in Love: Practical Wisdom from an Unlikely Source

James Sexton

“my book, How to Stay in Love-- Practical Wisdom from an Unlikely Source, the idea was not to just talk about people in troubled relationships”— James Sexton
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Protocols: An Operating Manual for the Human Body

Andrew Huberman

“I have a new book coming out. It's my very first book. It's entitled Protocols-- An Operating Manual for the Human Body.”— Andrew Huberman

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine)

various

“making an effort to eat more leafy greens and supplementing with NAC, N-Acetyl Cysteine, both of which can support glutathione production and detoxification”— Andrew Huberman
BookReferencedISBN verified

Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!

Richard Feynman

“The great Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize winning physicist of "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" said that understanding things at a reductionist level added to his sense of beauty”— Andrew Huberman
BookReferencedISBN verified

A Farewell to Arms

Ernest Hemingway

“There's a line from Hemingway from A Farewell to Arms, where he says, "the world breaks everyone and some are stronger in the broken places."”— James Sexton
MediaReferenced

The Deer Hunter

Michael Cimino

“The relationships are more like The Deer Hunter or something. It's really they're long, and they're complicated.”— Andrew Huberman
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Titanic

James Cameron

“if you think Jack-- I forget what her character, Kate Winslet's character was on Titanic”— James Sexton
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Breaking Bad

Vince Gilligan

“But as adults, that's not what we want. We want Breaking Bad. We want anti-heroes. We want complicated heroes.”— James Sexton
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LA Law

Steven Bochco

“I grew up watching LA Law. I think it's part of the reason why I became a lawyer is I loved that show.”— James Sexton
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Casino

Martin Scorsese

“I'll watch Casino or Goodfellas every time it's on, and it's like a full three hours almost. And I don't care because it's that good.”— James Sexton
MediaReferenced

Goodfellas

Martin Scorsese

“I'll watch Casino or Goodfellas every time it's on, and it's like a full three hours almost. And I don't care because it's that good.”— James Sexton
MediaReferenced

Star Wars

George Lucas

“If you say to me, Jim, I love Star Wars. The struggle of the Jedi against the Empire. It inspires me to want to be a disciplined person”— James Sexton

Big reveals from this episode

  • Sexton reveals that of the ~1,000+ prenups he's drafted in 25 years, he's only ever had to do the divorce for about five of those couples.
  • He dismantles the 'marriage is a barrier to walking out' argument, comparing barriers-to-exit to closing ERs at night to make people take fewer risks.
  • Recounts successfully defending a prenup where the bride lost $10,000/month in alimony for every 10 pounds she gained, and a court upheld it while calling it 'boorish.'
  • Tells of a 30-something Goldman client worth $30-40M who voluntarily wrote his yoga-teacher fiancĂ©e a flat $5M divorce payout 'so I'll know she likes me more than $5 million', they're still married 10 years later.
  • Claims the most common question a cheated-on man asks is 'Did you fuck him?' while a woman asks 'Do you love her?', revealing different ways the genders store value.
  • Explains the legal reason post-nuptial agreements often fail: they lack 'consideration' because staying married isn't legally a fresh exchange of value.
  • Drops the statistic that 56% of marriages end in divorce, yet 85% of divorced people remarry within five years.

Worth remembering

  • The current U.S. divorce rate cited is 56%, and each subsequent marriage has a higher divorce rate than the last.
  • In California community-property law, after seven years of marriage all separate property converts to marital property, which Sexton says spiked divorces around the 6.5-year mark.
  • Proving adultery used to forfeit a spouse's right to alimony in many states, but that was abolished by statute in the 1970s, ushering in no-fault divorce.
  • Sexton's trustedprenup.com aims to drop the cost of a prenup from $5,000-$15,000 with a traditional lawyer to roughly $600-$700 using AI trained on his past agreements.
  • Pet clauses are the most complex and varied part of modern prenups, covering custody rotations, vet-decision conflicts, and division of cremated remains.
  • Sexton defines intimacy as 'the ability to be completely yourself with another person', having nothing inherently to do with sex.
  • Huberman explains 'one-trial learning': painful trauma can be etched permanently into the nervous system in a single exposure, reshaping memory of everything before it.
  • Quoting a Gracie on the best age to start jiu-jitsu, '5 or now', Sexton applies the same answer to when couples should start having honest relationship conversations.
  • Describes a couple's weekly 'walk and talk' ritual: a hike where they share wins and gentle criticisms in a 'praise sandwich' to course-correct in real time.
  • Sexton notes that high-earning C-suite women often owe alimony to lower-earning husbands, alimony law is gender-blind.