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Andrew Huberman · 2024-12-02

Understand & Apply the Psychology of Money to Gain Greater Happiness | Morgan Housel

Morgan Housel reframes money as a tool for independence and purpose, not a yardstick for measuring yourself against others.

Understand & Apply the Psychology of Money to Gain Greater Happiness | Morgan Housel
The guest

Morgan Housel: Partner at the Collaborative Fund and author of the bestselling 'The Psychology of Money' and 'Same as Ever'. A writer on private wealth, behavior, and the psychology of financial decisions.

What this episode covers

Andrew Huberman and Morgan Housel explore how psychology, not math, drives our relationship with money. They argue most people sit at extremes of over-saving or over-spending, and that money's real value lies in buffering stress and buying independence and purpose rather than direct happiness. The conversation weaves in dopamine and the biology of pursuit, social comparison amplified by social media, fame as a hidden liability, and how wealth changes people. It closes on parenting, identity, and the idea of leaving a career on your own terms, with the recurring theme that you must understand yourself because what's right for one person is wrong for another.

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Psychology of Money

Morgan Housel

“he is also the author of The spectacularly bestselling book the psychology of money and today we talk about the psychology of money”— Andrew Huberman
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Art of Spending Money

Morgan Housel

“the book is called the art of spending money and I I make a point of the book is not called the science of spending money”— Morgan Housel
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Same as Ever

Morgan Housel

“to find links to his two superb books the psychology of money and same as ever please see the links in the show note captions”— Andrew Huberman

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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30 Lessons for Living

Karl Pillemer

“there's a gerontologist named Carl pmer who wrote a book great book called 30 lessons for living and what he did is he interviewed about a 100 centenarians”— Morgan Housel
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How to Get Rich

Felix Dennis

“There's an entrepreneur named Felix Dennis who wrote A book many years ago called how to get rich and there's a quote in that book”— Morgan Housel
MediaReferenced

Boiler Room

Ben Younger

“There's a great quote from the movie Boiler Room where he says people who say money doesn't buy happiness don't have any”— Morgan Housel
MediaReferenced

Notorious

Gavin Fitzgerald

“if you watch the Conor McGregor documentary it's amazing I think it's called notorious on Netflix even if people aren't into to MMA they should”— Morgan Housel
MediaReferenced

Into the Wild

Sean Penn

“what's that movie with Emil Hirsch where he um it's a true story uh about the guy that goes out into the Alaskan Wilderness”— Andrew Huberman
MediaReferenced

Succession

Jesse Armstrong

“well the show succession right you know it's all about the the horrible uh interpersonal dynamics of people that have a lot of wealth”— Andrew Huberman

Big reveals from this episode

  • Housel cites Daniel Kahneman: the key trait for doing well with money is a well-calibrated sense of your future regret.
  • Housel reveals he was enrolled at Pepperdine but transferred at the last second, which is where he met his wife and started his career.
  • Of the centenarians Karl Pillemer interviewed, not one wished they'd earned more money, but nearly all wished they'd spent more time with loved ones.
  • Both agree that if you'd quit the moment you hit your 'number', you probably never loved your work at all.
  • Housel argues fame is the ultimate 'social debt' and that you want to be rich and anonymous, not poor and famous.
  • The marshmallow test winners succeeded by distracting themselves, not by willpower or focusing on the future reward.
  • Anderson Cooper was the first Vanderbilt heir to get no trust fund, and is likely the happiest and most successful in 150 years.
  • Withholding resources from kids often teaches resentment, not grit; the lesson learned is 'Grandpa's kind of a jerk'.

Worth remembering

  • The 'end of history illusion': people recognize how much they've changed but assume they'll stay the same going forward.
  • Credit gives people a false sense of hope, keeping them on a hamster wheel of thinking the next purchase will fix their problems.
  • Lottery winners rarely stay happy because they gained money without the purpose that comes from building something.
  • Felix Dennis, worth ~$1 billion, said he'd retire at 35 and plant trees and write poetry, yet kept working anyway.
  • Until ~1750 the richest people in the UK had among the shortest lives because only they could afford quack medicines.
  • Humans can't do exponential math intuitively (8x8x8x8 vs 8+8+8+8), which is why compounding feels counterintuitive.
  • The most effective anti-smoking campaign hijacked teenage rebellion against wealthy elders, not fear of poor health.
  • Jerry Seinfeld quit his show partly because fame stopped him from observing ordinary life, the source of his material.
  • Among the 10 richest men in the world there are a cumulative 15 divorces.
  • Housel says he writes for an audience of one, himself, which he believes produces the best work.