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Tim Ferriss · 2024-05-11

How to Cultivate High Performance — Reed Hastings, Co-Founder of Netflix

Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings unpacks culture, candor, the keeper test, and his uncrowded ski venture Powder Mountain.

How to Cultivate High Performance — Reed Hastings, Co-Founder of Netflix
The guest

Reed Hastings: Co-founder and former 25-year CEO of Netflix, now executive chairman; founder of Pure Software and owner of Powder Mountain ski resort; longtime education philanthropist.

What this episode covers

Reed Hastings joins Tim Ferriss in Utah for a strategic, tactical conversation spanning his risk tolerance, the famous Netflix culture deck, and the principles he carried across three very different companies. He explains the philosophy behind 'team not family,' the keeper test, generous severance, farming for dissent, and setting context versus control. He reflects on his biggest failure (the Qwikster split), the lessons of over-processing at Pure Software, and how he conducts reference checks. The back half digs into Powder Mountain as his current intimate, hands-on project and his decades of work in charter-school education and economic development in Africa.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

Tuxedo Park

“one of the books that inspired me”
“one of the books that inspired me was a biography of Alfred Lee Loomis titled Tuxedo Park”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Beyond Entrepreneurship

Jim Collins

“your fondness for Beyond Entrepreneurship”
“I've read at least in two places about your fondness for Beyond Entrepreneurship, Jim Collins, but specifically the first 80 pages”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Five Dysfunctions of a Team

Patrick Lencioni

“those are excellent”
“Patrick Lencioni's, you know, Five Dysfunctions of a Team, The Advantage, those are excellent.”— Reed Hastings
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Advantage

Patrick Lencioni

“those are excellent”
“Patrick Lencioni's, you know, Five Dysfunctions of a Team, The Advantage, those are excellent.”— Reed Hastings
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Sapiens

Yuval Noah Harari

“is extraordinary”
“on the more human side, Sapiens, Yuval Harari's book of sort of the meaning of life and understanding the big picture, is extraordinary”— Reed Hastings
MediaRecommended

I Am Woman

“it's a super well-done biopic”
“I just watched a Helen Reddy biography, I Am Woman... it's a super well-done biopic.”— Reed Hastings

The guest's own work

ProductBy the guest

Cockpunch Coffee

Tim Ferriss

“one way I've scratched my own itch is by creating Cockpunch Coffee. It's a long story. All proceeds on my end go to my foundation”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The 4-Hour Body

Tim Ferriss

“I actually recommended AG1 in my 2010 bestseller, more than a decade ago, The 4-Hour Body, and I did not get paid to do so”— Tim Ferriss
ProductBy the guest

Netflix

Reed Hastings

“Reed Hastings became executive chairman of Netflix in 2023 after 25 years as CEO. He co-founded Netflix in 1997.”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

The Big Short

“it's like the guy who did Big Short and, you know, those kinds of things. If you guess right on a big movement of the stock market”— Reed Hastings
ProductReferenced

LinkedIn

LinkedIn

“start on LinkedIn and look for mutual connections. And the key is that the reference has to be closer to me”— Reed Hastings
BookReferencedISBN verified

The Overstory

Richard Powers

“I know you read the and liked The Overstory, I believe. Yeah, but no, I don't read that much.”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

Waiting for Superman

“when you see a movie like Waiting for Superman, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the documentary, but you can leave the theater feel quite demoralized”— Tim Ferriss

Big reveals from this episode

  • The Netflix culture deck became public after a shocked new employee, and Hastings realized making it public helped candidates self-select positively.
  • Powder Mountain's competitive edge is staying uncrowded by refusing to join the Epic and Icon passes, counter-positioning against crowded resorts.
  • Radical candor at Netflix originated in Hastings's own marriage counseling, where a counselor showed him he was a 'systemic liar' whose actions misaligned with his stated values.
  • His 'favorite failure' was Qwikster, splitting DVD and streaming into two companies, which was the right idea but five years too early and enraged customers.
  • After Qwikster, Netflix instituted a system where on big decisions people rate ideas from 10 to -10, and the top 50-100 people weigh in.
  • The 'keeper test' came from Hastings's father calling a fish he caught at age 7 or 8 'a keeper'; the test asks whether you'd fight to keep an employee.
  • Hastings argues the core problem in US public education is rapid superintendent turnover (averaging 3 years), and shifting to nonprofit-run charter schools provides stability.
  • His causes (education and Africa's economy) trace directly to having been a Peace Corps math teacher in Africa at 22, calling it 'trying to relive my 22-year-old self.'

Worth remembering

  • Hastings's great-great-grandfather was Alfred Lee Loomis, a gentleman scientist who helped develop Loran in WWII and anticipated the 1929 stock market crash.
  • Netflix offered a minimum four-month severance package from its early days, partly to reduce the guilt managers feel when letting people go.
  • John Doerr taught Hastings to set a 'dinner budget' (e.g., 11 nights a week) to manage work-life balance.
  • Hastings rereads the first 80 pages of Jim Collins's 'Beyond Entrepreneurship' annually; it made him feel he could succeed without being a flamboyant CEO.
  • Hastings wore an odd teal shirt in his Qwikster apology YouTube video, which the team ceremonially burned four years later.
  • Hastings has invested over $100 million in Powder Mountain in the first year, adding three new public lifts and one private lift.
  • By his own admission a poor stock picker who 'lost his shirt,' Hastings invests only in Netflix stock plus index funds.
  • Hastings has served on the board of KIPP Academy for 20 years and has been involved in charter schools for 25-30 years.
  • In New Orleans, 100% of kids attend charter schools; in Washington D.C. and Indianapolis it's about half.
  • Powder Mountain's hiring phrase is 'big-hearted champions who pick up the trash,' which Hastings says improves on the old Netflix culture description.