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Lex Fridman · 2024-04-05

Bassem Youssef: Israel-Palestine, Gaza, Hamas, Middle East, Satire & Fame | Lex Fridman Podcast #424

Egyptian-American satirist Bassem Youssef on Israel-Palestine, Gaza, propaganda, fleeing Egypt, fame, religion, and the power of comedy.

Bassem Youssef: Israel-Palestine, Gaza, Hamas, Middle East, Satire & Fame | Lex Fridman Podcast #424
The guest

Bassem Youssef: Egyptian-American comedian and former cardiothoracic surgeon, often called the 'Jon Stewart of the Middle East,' whose satirical show drew 30-40 million viewers before he fled Egypt in 2014. He now performs English and Arabic stand-up in the U.S. and gained renewed global attention after viral Piers Morgan interviews about Gaza.

What this episode covers

Bassem Youssef talks with Lex Fridman about the October 7th attacks, the war in Gaza, and the asymmetry of power between Israel and the Palestinians. He dissects how language and propaganda (the 'beheaded babies,' Gish-galloping distractions) shape public perception and dehumanize people, and argues technology has made killing remote and cheap. He shares his personal story: a middle-class Cairo childhood, becoming a doctor and salsa teacher, the Arab Spring, sudden fame, government interrogation, and his eventual flight from Egypt to rebuild from scratch doing stand-up in America. The conversation also ranges over religion, anti-Semitism, the failures of legacy media, American democracy sliding toward oligarchy, the military-industrial complex, and the threat of nuclear and religiously-motivated apocalypse.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommended

The Muslim and the Jew (Dr. Helmy)

Ronen Steinke

“I chased that book for rights for seven years I didn't have that much money but I wanted that book”
“there's a book that I bought the rights to and I want to turn it into a movie... I chased that book for rights for seven years”— Bassem Youssef
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Forcing God's Hand

Grace Halsell

“there's an incredible book... beautiful book I read it's... it still matters today”
“there's an incredible book called like forcing the hands of gods oh beautiful book I read it's like it's published 1998 but it still matters today”— Bassem Youssef

The guest's own work

MediaBy the guest

Tickling Giants

Sara Taksler

“the Sarah taxer the one who did this amazing documentary about me tickling Giants she's a Jew she is married to an Israeli Jew”— Bassem Youssef

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

The Lab

Yotam Feldman

“there is a movie called The LAB it is directed by an Israeli director called utam Feldman and he talks about how the military industry in Israel is very Advanced”— Bassem Youssef
MediaReferenced

Guardians of the Galaxy

James Gunn

“the guy took like something like Guardian of the Galaxy nobody knew about it made amazing Trilogy and he is like a really cool guy”— Bassem Youssef
MediaReferenced

Game of Thrones

HBO

“Putin is like is the living example of what happens if Game of Thrones was reality it's like death by poison”— Bassem Youssef
BookReferencedISBN verified

The Late Great Planet Earth

Hal Lindsey

“Armageddon and then the late great planet Earth and then left behind Sirius and all of that it's all about like we're heading to Armageddon”— Bassem Youssef

Big reveals from this episode

  • Youssef says he 'blacked out' during his first 33-minute Piers Morgan interview, describing it as a figurative 'suicide mission' that could have ended his career.
  • He claims Netanyahu was caught on tape confessing he supported and funded Hamas to cause factions among Palestinians.
  • His return flight from learning salsa in Miami was booked for September 12, 2001, he only missed it because he ran out of money and changed his ticket before 9/11.
  • Youssef was interrogated and arrested for six hours by Egypt's general prosecutor over his jokes while the Muslim Brotherhood was in power.
  • On November 11, 2014, his lawyer told him to leave Egypt immediately; he was on a plane the same afternoon and has never returned.
  • He was cast as a villain in James Gunn's Superman film and personally told by Gunn he had the part, then lost the role after his Piers Morgan appearances on Gaza.
  • He cites Jewish South African anti-apartheid activist (Ronnie Kasrils) who fought alongside Mandela and compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians to apartheid.

Worth remembering

  • Youssef references the documentary 'The Lab' by Israeli director Yotam Feldman, which shows weapons being field-tested in urban Palestinian areas.
  • He cites 'Project Nimbus' and biometric surveillance systems involving companies like HP, Google and Amazon, plus an AI targeting system called 'the Gospel.'
  • He states there are roughly 7 million Palestinians in diaspora and that 1.7 million people in Gaza were pushed there from other places.
  • He optioned and then permanently bought film rights to 'The Muslim and the Jew' by Ronen Steinke, about Egyptian doctor Mohamed Helmy who hid a Jewish girl from the Nazis in Berlin and helped save 300 Jews.
  • The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was plagiarized from a satirical play, 'Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu.'
  • Stéphane Hessel, a Holocaust survivor and co-author of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, was branded anti-Semitic late in life for joining the BDS movement.
  • Youssef has a speech impediment (a lisp, cannot roll his R's) and was the first Egyptian TV presenter with a lisp.
  • He cites that a safety oil valve jumped from $329 to $9,000 and a Stinger missile from $25,000 to $400,000 due to defense-contractor price gouging and DoD layoffs.
  • The Arab Spring began in Tunisia when fruit vendor Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire, sparking protests that ousted Ben Ali after ~20 years.
  • He references the book 'Forcing God's Hand' (1998) on Christian Zionists and dispensationalists who push for end-times conflict in the Middle East.