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Joe Rogan · 2025-05-06

Joe Rogan Experience #2316 - Cameron Hanes

Joe Rogan and Cameron Hanes riff on free speech, legendary fighters' brutal training, willpower, ultrarunning, and the ancient history of the bow.

Joe Rogan Experience #2316 - Cameron Hanes
The guest

Cameron Hanes: Endurance athlete, bowhunter, and bestselling author known for the 'Keep Hammering' ethos. He runs 100+ mile ultramarathons, wrote 'Endure' and 'Undeniable,' and is a longtime friend of Rogan.

What this episode covers

The conversation opens with Rogan trying to talk Hanes out of running a 250-mile race on a broken foot, then pivots to free speech, social-media suppression, and Rogan's critique of Douglas Murray's 'appeal to experts' debate tactics. A long middle stretch celebrates the obsessive training of fighters like Rocky Marciano, Marvin Hagler, and Khabib, plus David Goggins and ultrarunner Courtney Dauwalter as avatars of forged willpower. They cover sobriety, diet, recovery tools, and how modern food and social-media 'algorithms' sabotage health. The final third is a deep dive into ancient mysteries, archaeology, and the global spread of the bow and arrow, closing on a plug for Hanes's book 'Endure' and the viral '100 men vs. a gorilla' clip.

Recommended on this episode

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Black Rifle Coffee Energy Drink

Black Rifle Coffee Company

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“this is my first time trying one of these uh new energy drinks that Black Rifle came out. Have you tried them? They're good. They're legit. Really good.”— Joe Rogan
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Black Rifle Coffee

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“if I tell you, "Oh, this Black Rifle coffee drink is good." I'm not lying. I wouldn't lie.”— Joe Rogan
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The Strange Death of Europe

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“some great books like The Strange Death of Europe is very good”
“he's written some great books like The Strange Death of Europe is very good and proving to be very accurate.”— Joe Rogan
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Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem

Darryl Cooper (Martyr Made)

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“Listen to his stuff on Guyana. Listen to his stuff on Jim Jones. The Jim Jones series and this is an hours incredible.”— Joe Rogan
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The Chase (2024 Cocodona 250 documentary)

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“this great documentary that just came out ... And it's really good”
“there's this great documentary that just came out out on last year's Coca-Cola 250 and it's called The Chase ... And it's really good.”— Cameron Hanes
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Revtown (jeans)

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Barbell Apparel (jeans)

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Reverse Hyper machine

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The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

Undeniable

Cameron Hanes

“We're talking about my book. This is the whole point of this was undeniable without Well, you'll definitely be undeniable.”— Joe Rogan
BookBy the guest

Undeniable

Cameron Hanes

“Cam, uh, your book, Perfect Title. Undeniable. It is a perfect title. Really is.”— Joe Rogan
BookBy the guest

Endure

Cameron Hanes

“last time Endure was like the number one seller and they put it number seven or something on New York Times.”— Cameron Hanes
BookBy the guest

Endure

Cameron Hanes

“You wrote the Forward to Endure. It made the New York Times bestseller list. Uh Endure, it's out now. It's out May 6th.”— Cameron Hanes

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Cave of Forgotten Dreams

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“that one documentary, The Cave of Dreams. It's a Warner Herszog film. I think that's what it's called.”— Joe Rogan
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Mobland

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“Sometimes I like watching a show, you know, a fiction show like Mob Land or something like that”— Joe Rogan
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John Wick

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“I watched John Wick like 50 times in a row.”— Joe Rogan
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INEOS Grenadier

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“Inos is that company that makes that Grenadier. ... So I basically made a better Defender. ... These things are tanks.”— Joe Rogan
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Myzone (heart rate chest strap)

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“we were doing everything through the Myzones chest strap. It's a heart rate monitor and it was basically giving you a certain amount of points”— Joe Rogan
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Strava

Strava

“Strava is sort of like that. Runners use Strava. I'm not on it, but that that gets posted publicly so everybody can see the pace”— Joe Rogan
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Whoop strap

Whoop

“if you wear a Whoop strap, you know, it'll show you how much you recovered uh through the night. And if you drink, you will notice a big dip.”— Joe Rogan
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Oura Ring

Oura

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Origin (jeans / apparel)

Origin USA

“we had the origin on that. ... Origin liked your call out though, so that was good.”— Cameron Hanes
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Sitka Gear

Sitka Gear

“Well, I had to get it in the Sitka. ... some changes had to get in Sitka and we're Yeah, we're rocking.”— Cameron Hanes
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Boxing Life Stories (YouTube channel)

inferred

“this clip is the same same um YouTube. It's Boxing Life. Is that the YouTube channel? So, really good channel.”— Cameron Hanes

Big reveals from this episode

  • Hanes confirms he plans to run the 250-mile Cocodona on a broken foot rather than get surgery, at almost 60 years old.
  • Rogan calls his Douglas Murray episode 'a loss for him big time,' saying Murray used tactics not facts.
  • Rogan says Goggins admits he was once fat, lazy and 300 lbs and forged his willpower rather than being born with it.
  • Rogan recounts doing seven hours of cardio a day during Sober October specifically because he 'wanted Bert Kreischer to die.'
  • Even at peak Sober October effort, Rogan's crew wasn't in the Myzone top 10 nationally.
  • Rogan flatly states that in boxing's off-season 'no one can stop you from doing peptides and growth hormone and testosterone replacement.'
  • Rogan reveals he's been sober for two-plus months and says he 'feels stupid for waiting this long.'
  • Hanes claims 'Endure' was the No. 1 seller but the New York Times listed it at No. 7, calling the bestseller list editorial.

Worth remembering

  • Rocky Marciano trained 7 days a week, sometimes sparring 30-40 rounds a day, and retired 49-0 at age 32.
  • Marciano was only about 5'10" and ~188 lbs as heavyweight champ, roughly 12 lbs lighter than Rogan.
  • Marvin Hagler sparred around 100 rounds a week and trained alone on Cape Cod sand dunes in winter wearing combat boots.
  • Goggins held a world record by running roughly eight 100-mile races on consecutive weekends.
  • Eddie Izzard completed 43 marathons in 51 days in 2009 with essentially no training.
  • Courtney Dauwalter once went blind mid-race, fell and cracked her head, got up and still won.
  • Dauwalter describes a mental 'pain cave' she enlarges with an imaginary chisel and hammer to endure ultras.
  • The men's marathon world standard barely moved from ~2:04 (2003) to ~2:01 (2018); Kipchoge broke 2 hours only with pacers.
  • About 90% of Native Americans were wiped out by European-introduced disease, not warfare.
  • Some sources suggest the bow and arrow reached North America from Asia as far back as 30,000 years ago, hinting at ancient world travelers.