Dan Reynolds: Imagine Dragons | Lex Fridman Podcast #290

Dan Reynolds joins Lex Fridman for a wide-ranging, deeply personal conversation that moves from learning to code and building a video game to the emotional core of his songwriting. He explores his lifelong struggle with depression, his crisis of faith leaving Mormonism, and a profound healing experience with ayahuasca. They listen to and dissect songs together, discussing what makes art feel truthful versus 'cringe,' the loneliness of fame, and his work with producer Rick Rubin. He closes on fatherhood, self-love, his support for the LGBTQ community, and the unanswerable questions of god and mortality.

• Reynolds says the closest he has felt to experiencing god was through ayahuasca, which convinced him there is more to be known.
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• During a terrifying plane emergency where his brother texted his wife goodbye, Reynolds felt nothing and thought dying 'might actually be nice.'
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• He reveals a diagnosis of major depressive disorder and says delaying therapy almost cost him his life.
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• His earliest therapy was with a Mormon therapist, then a Scientology therapist, before he found secular 'therapy therapy.'
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• Rick Rubin's main critique was simply 'I don't really believe you on that song,' which was enough to kill a track.
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• A gay Mormon teen shot himself outside the Las Vegas temple, a tragedy that shaped Reynolds's LGBTQ advocacy.
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• Reynolds describes telling his own child 'I don't know' about whether they'll see each other after death.
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• He writes over 100 songs a year but releases only 20 every three years, leaving most unheard.
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• Reynolds fears 'everyone being in on a joke except yourself' and feeling secretly inadequate, traced to having six older brothers.
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• He believes audiences have a powerful 'bullshit indicator' and can sense whether an artist truly means it.
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• His uncle, a heart surgeon, warns that musicians die because cortisol spikes on stage and crash off it.
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• Charlie Sheen once told him 'boys, mark my words, your life is about to get really weird.'
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• Reynolds is a baritone singing as a tenor, which gives his voice its natural gruffness.
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• The dramatic pause before the word 'pain' in 'Believer' was deliberately engineered to feel striking.
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• A statistic that ~75% of musicians report struggling with severe depression staggered him.
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• His father's single 'that was really good' after hearing his first song kept him from quitting music.
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• He admires that his intelligent, practicing-Mormon brothers still believe, so he refuses to call them wrong.
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• Reynolds reads heartbreak in Nilsson's 'Without You' through the lens of Nilsson's later alcoholism.
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