Diana Walsh Pasulka: Aliens, Technology, Religion & the Nature of Belief | Lex Fridman Podcast #149

Pasulka and Lex Fridman explore the nature of belief, reality, and religion through the lens of philosophy (Kant, Nietzsche, Arendt) and Catholic history. She argues that belief in non-human intelligence, UFOs and UAPs, is a new form of religiosity, and that contact experiences seed religions much as they always have. The conversation links aliens, angels, muses, and technology under a single umbrella of non-human intelligence, drawing on figures like Jacques Vallee. They cover Roswell, the Tic Tac videos, Bob Lazar, psychedelics, brain-computer interfaces, the singularity, money, death, and the meaning of life.

• Pasulka entered the American Cosmic research as a UFO non-believer and came out agnostic, a kind of believer, after seeing physical evidence.
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• She describes 'Tyler D,' an invisible insider who claims to get 'downloads' that become real technologies sold on NASDAQ for tens of millions.
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• She recounts being blindfolded and driven to an alleged New Mexico crash site where they recovered materials later studied by scientists.
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• On the Tic Tac videos, her UFO 'fight club' contacts believed the footage was authentic but doctored, and being spun.
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• She frames angels, aliens, muses, and technology all as forms of 'non-human intelligence' communicating with humans.
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• She and Tyler were sent by a billionaire to the Vatican secret archives to study levitation and bilocation canonization records.
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• Pasulka rejects a non-material singularity, arguing information always needs a material host, so we won't slough off our bodies.
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• Pope Benedict formally abolished the concept of Limbo in 2007, a belief that caused real anguish for over a thousand years.
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• Jimi Hendrix saw his music as an 'electric church' mission, treating himself almost as a spiritual missionary.
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• Rocket pioneers Jack Parsons and Konstantin Tsiolkovsky performed rituals, believing they were downloading information or opening stargates.
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• ARPANET, the proto-internet, was originally described as 'augmentation of the human intellect.'
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• Hannah Arendt wrote about people using 'memes' as thoughtless stereotypes decades before the term existed.
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• David Bowie called the internet 'an alien life form,' a quote that opens Pasulka's book.
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• A film analyst argues Kubrick's monolith in 2001 represents the screen, the technology we now live inside.
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• Maria of Agrada, a 1600s Spanish nun, claimed to bilocate to the New World, where missionaries reportedly found natives already taught the faith.
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• Pasulka named her pet cat Trump and her dog Putin so the two would have a companion.
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