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Andrew Huberman · 2024-03-04

How Placebo Effects Work to Change Our Biology & Psychology

Andrew Huberman explains how placebo, nocebo, and belief effects produce real biological changes via prefrontal cortex circuitry.

How Placebo Effects Work to Change Our Biology & Psychology
The guest

Andrew Huberman: Professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab podcast. This is a solo episode.

What this episode covers

Huberman defines placebo, nocebo, and belief effects as expectation-driven changes the brain imposes on physiology, independent of any drug's chemistry. He walks through landmark studies showing placebos raising dopamine in Parkinson's patients, conditioned hormone responses to injections, and how pill color, brand, and invasiveness modify effect size. He emphasizes these effects are real biological phenomena routed through the prefrontal cortex to the hypothalamus and brainstem, not mere psychological tricks. He also stresses their limits (placebos can ease cancer symptoms but cannot shrink tumors) and the genetic variation, such as the COMT gene, that explains individual differences in placebo susceptibility.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

Placebo Effects: Understanding the Other Side of Medical Care

Fabrizio Benedetti

“it's an absolutely wonderful book ... I absolutely love the book so highly recommend this book”
“It's called none other than Placebo effects understanding the other side of medical care and the book is by fabrio Benedetti”— Andrew Huberman

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Aerobie frisbee

Aerobie

“he had also built the so-called aobi frisbee so he was sort of famous in our community for developing these different Feats of engineering”— Andrew Huberman

Big reveals from this episode

  • A sugar/inert placebo, when patients were told it would raise dopamine, actually increased dopamine release in Parkinson's patients' brains as measured by PET imaging.
  • After two days of a real drug (sumatriptan), a saline injection alone raised growth hormone and lowered cortisol, even when subjects were told it would do the opposite.
  • Placebo effects scale with treatment presentation: brand-name, packaged, injected, and machine-administered placebos produce progressively larger effects than plain pills.
  • In the 'Mind Over Milkshakes' study, believing a 380-calorie shake was 620 calories produced steeper drops in the hunger hormone ghrelin than believing it was 140 calories.
  • Hotel cleaners told their daily work counted as exercise showed real reductions in blood pressure, body weight, and heart rate versus a control group doing identical work.
  • In a nicotine vaping study, subjects told they got higher doses performed better on cognitive tasks and showed scaled brain activity, though everyone got the same dose.
  • Placebos can reduce cancer-treatment discomfort (pain, nausea) but cannot reduce the size of or eliminate tumors.
  • The first formal placebo study found roughly 30% of individuals showed a robust placebo effect while 70% showed a weaker one, a variation replicated repeatedly.

Worth remembering

  • The prefrontal cortex integrates context, memory, and goals, then signals brain areas controlling the immune, stress, reward, and pleasure systems.
  • A conditioned insulin response can be created so a bell or buzzer alone, with no food present, triggers insulin release.
  • People given placebo sleep pills slept better with blue pills, while red placebos produced the strongest stimulant effect and yellow the biggest antidepressant effect.
  • In a New England Journal of Medicine asthma study, placebo reduced breathing discomfort but did not change actual breathing patterns the way real medication did.
  • A study titled 'A central master driver of psychosocial stress responses in the rat' mapped a prefrontal cortex pathway (DP/DTT) to the dorsomedial hypothalamus.
  • The dorsomedial hypothalamus drives stress features like increased blood pressure, vasoconstriction, body temperature, and brown fat thermogenesis.
  • The COMT gene, which regulates dopamine, epinephrine, and norepinephrine, correlates with how strongly individuals experience placebo effects.
  • Pavlov won the Nobel Prize for classical conditioning, demonstrating dogs salivating to a bell unrelated to food itself.
  • Many of the placebo studies cited come from Dr. Ted Kaptchuk's lab at Harvard Medical School, a pioneer in placebo research.
  • The milkshake and exercise belief studies were conducted by Huberman's Stanford colleague Dr. Alia Crum, who studies mindsets.