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Lex Fridman · 2023-04-04

Paul Rosolie: Amazon Jungle, Uncontacted Tribes, Anacondas, and Ayahuasca | Lex Fridman Podcast #369

Conservationist Paul Rosolie recounts 17 years in the Amazon - giant anacondas, uncontacted tribes, near-death MRSA, ayahuasca, and saving the rainforest.

Paul Rosolie: Amazon Jungle, Uncontacted Tribes, Anacondas, and Ayahuasca | Lex Fridman Podcast #369
The guest

Paul Rosolie: Conservationist, explorer, author and filmmaker who has spent much of the past 17 years in the Peruvian Amazon. Founder of Jungle Keepers, which protects over 50,000 acres of threatened rainforest, and author of the memoir Mother of God.

What this episode covers

Paul Rosolie tells Lex Fridman how an 18-year-old dyslexic kid from New York fell in love with the Amazon and became a full-time protector of it. He shares vivid, often harrowing stories: catching and nearly being crushed by 25-foot anacondas, a near-fatal MRSA infection at 19, encounters with uncontacted tribes who kill intruders, raising an orphaned giant anteater, and living with semi-wild elephants in India. He explains how Jungle Keepers converts loggers and gold miners into paid conservationists, and how a viral 2019 Instagram post (shared by Joe Rogan) plus funding from entrepreneur Dax da Silva transformed his work. The conversation also ranges into animal intelligence, aliens, climate change, hunting versus poaching, and a transformative ayahuasca experience.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

Burden of Dreams

Les Blank

“I love his documentary the burden of Dreams”
“I love Herzog and I love his his documentary the burden of Dreams which is which is in the Amazon not very far from where I work”— Paul Rosolie

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

Mother of God: An Extraordinary Journey into the Uncharted Tributaries of the Western Amazon

Paul Rosolie

“read to you a few of your own words you opened oh boy the book Mother of God with the passage”— Paul Rosolie

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

Grizzly Man

Werner Herzog

“what lessons do you draw from Grizzly Man or into the wild those kinds of stories”— Lex Fridman
MediaReferenced

Into the Wild

Jon Krakauer

“what lessons do you draw from Grizzly Man or into the wild those kinds of stories”— Lex Fridman
MediaReferenced

Jurassic Park

Steven Spielberg

“it's like the first scene in Jurassic Park when they see the dinosaurs and they go oh this is it”— Paul Rosolie
MediaReferenced

Peaky Blinders

Steven Knight

“the elephant comes out and he starts like trashing the water bucket we're all like would just stop we're trying to watch peaky blinders here”— Paul Rosolie

Big reveals from this episode

  • Found a sleeping 25-foot anaconda, jumped on it, and couldn't touch his own fingers when he wrapped his arms around it.
  • Nearly had his rib cage collapsed when a 16-foot anaconda coiled over his wrists and neck; JJ saved him with ~15 seconds to spare.
  • Admits the Discovery 'Eaten Alive' special was a disaster - producers changed his voice and message, and he got death threats and exiled himself to India.
  • At 19, a MRSA infection plus dengue left him near death, pus oozing from his face; he wrote a goodbye letter to his parents.
  • A 2019 Instagram post about the burning Amazon went viral overnight, Joe Rogan shared it, and it changed his life and funding.
  • On a solo, he rounded a bend and came face to face with an uncontacted tribe and ran for three hours fearing he'd be killed.
  • His ayahuasca experience with an over-boiled brew felt like fully dying; the shaman 'retired' afterward, found naked in a stream.

Worth remembering

  • Anacondas are the world's largest snake by mass; females can reach 25-30 feet, 300-400 lbs, with a head bigger than a football.
  • Anacondas can be used to track mercury from gold mining moving through the Amazon ecosystem; locals suffer birth defects from it.
  • Jungle Keepers pays former loggers/miners ~$35/day to protect the forest instead of ~$15/day destroying it.
  • Ancient hardwood trees hold roughly 60% of the rainforest's carbon due to their dense old-growth wood.
  • JJ taught him three Amazon trees (e.g. Sangre de Drago, Ficus insipida) that cure infections better than Neosporin.
  • There were ~100,000 tigers in 1900; now only about 4,000 remain - he says the fix is simply not bulldozing their forest.
  • The bullet ant's sting feels like full-body alarm; Paul has been stung 7-8 times and JJ proposed 'bullet ant roulette'.
  • Earth has lost about 70% of its wildlife in the last 50 years; rainforests cover only ~3% of land but hold ~50% of biodiversity.
  • The African elephant population is down to roughly 2% of what it was a few hundred years ago, and poaching is breeding tuskless elephants.
  • Paul argues ayahuasca cannot truly be done outside the jungle - native friends laughed at the idea of doing it in Brooklyn.