The guest
Derek (More Plates More Dates): Online men's health and performance-enhancement educator who runs the More Plates More Dates YouTube channel and a supplement company, known for deep dives on hormones, steroids and peptides.
What this episode covers
Derek of More Plates More Dates joins Joe Rogan for a wide-ranging, low-production conversation that drifts from Canadian censorship to video-game and dating-app addiction. They dig into the OnlyFans economy, Andrew Tate, and the loneliness of modern young men, then pivot to Joe's training, diet and recovery routines including cold plunges, the carnivore diet, stem cells and BPC-157. A long stretch covers celebrity plastic surgery, Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard, and how the Comedy Mothership came together in Austin. The episode closes with an extended Derek-led breakdown of performance-enhancing drugs, USADA, and the proposed Enhanced Games.
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Neurogum
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“I take neurogum ... things that enhance my focus”
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BPC-157
“I'm shooting bpc 157 in there and it's better ... pretty significantly better”
“I'm doing the ice bass and I'm rolling it out I'm shooting bpc 157 in there and it's better it's it's already pretty sign significantly better”— Joe Rogan
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Torque Tank sled
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“the only good show on the network ... they're National Treasure”
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Kill Tony
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Quake Champions
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“we were playing Quake champ Quake Champions right and this is a game that you play you have headphones on you can hear sounds behind you”— Joe Rogan
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Half-Life
Valve
“if you're into like halflife you ever you ever play halflife heard of it seen it never played it though”— Joe Rogan
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Doom
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“the last game that you were uh into or did you like stop yourself after uh it was Doom right that you no it was qu Quake sorry”— Joe Rogan
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Pong
Atari
“when I was a kid I remember pong yeah I was a little kid and you could play a game on the television and it was nuts”— Joe Rogan
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Super Smash Bros
Nintendo
“I played it and it was it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now so I need to I'm highly considering just getting rid of it”— Derek
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Nintendo Switch
Nintendo
“my girlfriend uh got me what was I guess the best and worst gift at the same time a couple years ago it was a Nintendo switch for Christmas”— Derek
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League of Legends
Riot Games
“my son's A League of Legends player on Twitch what yeah oh what did you do yeah and you get you sit there and just rack up donations”— Joe Rogan
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John Wick
“that was when I was walking watching John Wick like 50 times in a row”— Joe Rogan
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Apocalypse Now
“you're just breathing heavy while you're watching you know Apocalypse Now or something it's like got you riveted”— Joe Rogan
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Fitbit
Fitbit
“she got a Fitbit she said I want to get a Fitbit and so we got her a Fitbit and then she's like what's the step goal”— Joe Rogan
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Whoop
Whoop
“he has apparently like one of the best whoop sleep scores on Earth supposedly is what he claims which you know I wouldn't doubt is legit”— Derek
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MyZone tracker
MyZone
“we used the my zones tracker okay have you seen that one no no it's a you're wearing a chest strap and it gives you points”— Joe Rogan
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Microsoft Word (Focus mode)
Microsoft
“I use Focus mode on Microsoft Word where you don't see anything no notifications pop up you don't see your tray you don't see anything”— Joe Rogan
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Gary Brecka red light bed
Gary Brecka
“I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends I also ordered one of his light Beds”— Joe Rogan
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Jailhouse Strong
Tom Haviland
“no frills training gas station ready Amazon selling book series joil House strong well Instagram is jail house strong”— Joe Rogan
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Going Clear
Lawrence Wright
“Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in going clear I I read the book”— Joe Rogan
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Going Clear (HBO documentary)
Alex Gibney
“there was a HBO documentary series on going clear all about scientology and you know it was all of it”— Joe Rogan
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Dianetics
L. Ron Hubbard
“this commercial for um Dianetics it's like Dianetics this book will unlock all the power of your minds”— Joe Rogan
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Tropic Thunder
“you're never going to see a Tropic Thunder today yeah I don't watch a lot of movies nowadays”— Joe Rogan
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The Hangover
“the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie Personally it's been forever it was like The Hangover”— Derek
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Superbad
“it was like The Hangover yeah you know yeah yeah super bad I mean it's been a long [ __ ] time”— Derek
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Rockstar Supernova
“when they when they're doing that show Rockstar Supernova do you remember Rockstar Supernova no when was that”— Joe Rogan
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America's Got Talent
“yeah he was on the finals yeah kids in America's Got Talent from Kill Tony huh yeah how popular are those shows now”— Joe Rogan
Big reveals from this episode
- Joe trained twice a day for six months for a planned MMA fight against Wesley Snipes, but it collapsed over escalating money demands.
- Joe got stem cells for a torn MCL but kept re-aggravating it, so he took a full year completely off Muay Thai to let it heal.
- Joe just had stem cells injected into his lower back for an archery overuse injury from drawing 80-90 lb bows about 150 times a day.
- Joe says the animal-based/carnivore diet gives him a noticeable 'extra gear' of mental clarity beyond Alpha Brain and neurogum.
- During Sober October Joe did seven hours of cardio in one day and set off his gym's fire alarm from the steam off his body.
- Joe explains he built the Comedy Mothership in Austin by hiring The Comedy Store's best staff while they were unemployed during the pandemic.
- Tommy Lee once asked Joe to help train him to fight Kid Rock over their shared history with Pamela Anderson.
Worth remembering
- Cited top OnlyFans earners: Iggy Azalea reportedly made $48M, Cardi B around $45M, and rapper Tyga roughly $20M.
- Wesley Snipes served 28 months in federal prison for willful failure to file federal income tax returns.
- Lauryn Hill was sentenced to three months in prison plus house arrest for not paying taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings.
- Joe claims Hulk Hogan lost four to five inches of height from multiple back-fusion surgeries.
- Michael Jackson's father reportedly chemically castrated him during puberty to preserve his high singing voice, according to his doctor.
- L. Ron Hubbard has the most published words of any human in history, and a 1984 judge called him 'virtually a pathological liar.'
- The Enhanced Games is a proposed no-testing, doping-permitted competitor to the Olympics offering cash bonuses for breaking world records.
- When the UFC adopted USADA, fighters' physiques visibly shrank, with Vitor Belfort cited as the most extreme example.
- Derek explains a single 500mg/week testosterone cycle (testosterone cypionate, ~10-day half-life) leaves residual performance benefit for months.
- Longevity expert Peter Attia reportedly can't keep chicken drumsticks in the freezer because he'll eat three at a time.
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