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Tim Ferriss · 2020-07-30

Grandmaster Maurice Ashley — The Path and Strategies of World-Class Mastery | The Tim Ferriss Show

Grandmaster Maurice Ashley traces his path from Brooklyn chess hustles to history-making mastery, plus lessons on focus, teaching, and lifelong reinvention.

Grandmaster Maurice Ashley — The Path and Strategies of World-Class Mastery | The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

Maurice Ashley: Maurice Ashley is the first African-American International Grandmaster in chess history, a three-time national-championship coach, author, ESPN commentator, and speaker. Born in Jamaica and raised in Brownsville, Brooklyn, he was inducted into the US Chess Hall of Fame in 2016.

What this episode covers

Maurice Ashley tells Tim Ferriss his life story, from being raised in Jamaica by his grandmother while his mother built a life in New York, to immigrating to rough 1970s Brownsville, Brooklyn, where he fell in love with chess after a friend repeatedly beat him. He describes the fiercely competitive Black Bear School of Chess, the art of trash talking, and how watching Tiger Woods dominate the 1997 Masters reignited his depressed-then-inspired quest to become a grandmaster, which he achieved 19 months later with sponsor support. The conversation digs into training methods, building mental and physical stamina, the influence of Aikido on his game, and how he hooks kids on chess through genuine passion. Ashley also speaks at length on the 2020 social unrest, racial inequities in policing and education, the limits of legislating change, and books that shaped him. He closes on embracing uncertainty, the half-life of facts, and his current life as a globe-trotting vagabond fueled by chess, salsa, and language learning.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommended

Aikido in the Dynamic Sphere

A. Westbrook and O. Ratti

“One of the greatest books I've ever read”
“One of the greatest books I've ever read All right, it's called Aikido in the Dynamic Sphere. It's by O Ratti”— Maurice Ashley
ProductRecommended

chess.com

Chess.com

“has resources up the wazoo. Very inexpensive to get”
“You have chess.com which has resources up the wazoo. Very inexpensive to get whether it's puzzles, whether it's videos, instructional videos”— Maurice Ashley
MediaRecommended

Winning Chess series (Winning Chess Strategies, Winning Chess Tactics)

Yasser Seirawan

“did a great series ... Really lucidly explained, simple language. Great little situations for you to learn a lot from”
“my friend Grandmaster Yasser Seirawan did a great series called the winning chess series. Winning chess strategies, winning chess tactics. Really lucidly explained, simple language.”— Maurice Ashley
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass (autobiographies of Frederick Douglass)

Frederick Douglass

“He's one of my favorite people in history. And his biography is really what makes me want to do that”
“he had three autobiographies, right? Those that he wrote... the second one was enough of his life out of freedom that he was able to really describe it in a fresh way”— Maurice Ashley
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Frederick Douglass: Prophet of Freedom

David Blight

“There's a great biography on him also by David Blight. That's like the definitive one”
“There's a great biography on him also by David Blight. That's like the definitive one”— Maurice Ashley
BookRecommended

Passages

Gail Sheehy

“I'd love for you to speak to as having an impact on you ... I was fascinated by this”
“they're two books I'd love for you to speak to as having an impact on you, Passages and I think it's Gail Sheehy”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Mastery

George Leonard

“those two books really had impact”
“And Mastery by George Leonard... two books I'd love for you to speak to as having an impact on you”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Half-Life of Facts: Why Everything We Know Has an Expiration Date

Samuel Arbesman

“It's such a great book for what you just talked about”
“there is a book called The Half-Life of Facts... by Samuel Arbesman... It's such a great book for what you just talked about.”— Maurice Ashley
MediaRecommended

Duolingo Spanish Podcast

Duolingo

“you might want to check out. It's also really, really helpful”
“there's a Spanish podcast made by Duolingo that you might want to check out. It's also really, really helpful.”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The 4-Hour Body

Tim Ferriss

“I recommended it way back in 2010 in The 4-Hour Body, and I did not get paid to do so.”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Chess for Success: Using an Old Game to Build New Strengths in Children and Teens

Maurice Ashley

“His book, Chess for Success, subtitled Using an Old Game to Build New Strengths in Children and Teens, shows the many benefits of chess”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Tribe of Mentors

Tim Ferriss

“I have two books here that you've mentioned and mentioned in Tribe of Mentors where where you appeared as a profile”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The 4-Hour Workweek

Tim Ferriss

“your book, Four-Hour Workweek, I mean that was a riot. I mean you wrecked my life for a while, frankly.”— Maurice Ashley

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

The Tim Ferriss Experiment

Tim Ferriss

“He's also appeared with me in the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu episode, which has some chess of the Tim Ferriss Experiment TV series way back in the day”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

Searching for Bobby Fischer

“Vinnie Livermore who was played by Laurence Fishburne in Josh Waitzkin's the movie about Josh Waitzkin searching for Bobby Fischer”— Maurice Ashley
BookReferencedISBN verified

Jackie Robinson autobiography (I Never Had It Made)

Jackie Robinson

“I remember when I read Jackie Robinson's autobiography and I was reading it actually on a plane to Germany where I would play in a big tournament”— Maurice Ashley
MediaReferenced

The Matrix

“I feel a lot in my life like I'm like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix. When you get the program that because so many people describe you as Morpheus.”— Maurice Ashley

Big reveals from this episode

  • Ashley's mother left Jamaica for the US when he was two, and it took her ten years of working as a nanny then office worker to save enough to bring her three children to America in 1978.
  • Chess entered his life at Brooklyn Technical High School after a friend nicknamed Chico repeatedly crushed him, sending him to a library book that began his lifelong love affair with the game.
  • Watching Tiger Woods dominate the 1997 Masters as a player in a sport that didn't look like him triggered a depression that transformed into the inspiration to finally pursue the grandmaster title.
  • A philanthropist sponsor, Dan Rose, agreed to financially support Ashley's grandmaster quest in exchange for giving back to Harlem, allowing him to stop everything and focus on chess, earning his final norm about 19 months later.
  • Becoming a grandmaster was initially depressing because he had reached his lifelong North Star and had no mountain left to climb, until he rediscovered love of the game and a beginner's mind.
  • Studying Aikido on the mat, inspired by the book Aikido in the Dynamic Sphere, taught Ashley to find the gaps in an opponent's attack and took his chess to the level that made him a grandmaster.
  • Ashley argues America tried to solve racial injustice by legislating it, but as Denzel Washington said you can't legislate love, so without the majority embracing change on the ground, inequities persist.

Worth remembering

  • Ashley's older brother Devon was a three-time world champion kickboxer and his younger sister Alicia was a six-time world champion boxer, making them a fiercely competitive family.
  • Black Bear School members studied Russian and German chess magazines like Shakhmatny Bulletin by translating them word by word with a dictionary, since Google Translate did not exist.
  • Blitz chess gives each side 5 minutes for the entire game, while bullet chess allows just 1 minute per side, described as Edward Scissorhands speed.
  • The chess rating system was invented by Hungarian mathematician Arpad Elo, weighting results to compare players, similar to the system tennis uses.
  • Ashley cites a study claiming roughly 6,000 calories can be burned during a chess game from the intensity, noting top players are never overweight.
  • During COVID lockdowns, top player Hikaru Nakamura's Twitch following jumped from about 10,000 to nearly half a million in just a few months as chess exploded online.
  • When computers arrived, classical chess could no longer be adjourned overnight because players could get computer help, so games now run continuously between 3.5 and 6 hours.
  • Testing into the top US middle-school class, Ashley found the material was what he'd already learned in Jamaica, and his class ended up skipping eighth grade entirely.
  • Reading The 4-Hour Workweek wrecked Ashley's life for a while, and he now lives as a vagabond, having given up his apartment to travel for 15 months out of suitcases.
  • Ashley recommends The Half-Life of Facts by Samuel Arbesman, on why everything we know has an expiration date, as a humbling lesson in staying intellectually open.