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Lex Fridman · 2022-07-29

Brian Armstrong: Coinbase, Cryptocurrency, and Government Regulation | Lex Fridman Podcast #307

Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong on building the largest crypto exchange, fighting fraud, navigating regulators, and why crypto could become the world's reserve currency.

Brian Armstrong: Coinbase, Cryptocurrency, and Government Regulation | Lex Fridman Podcast #307
The guest

Brian Armstrong: Co-founder and CEO of Coinbase, the largest US cryptocurrency exchange, with about 89 million verified accounts across roughly 100 countries. A former Airbnb engineer who started Coinbase after reading the Bitcoin white paper, he also funds science ventures ResearchHub and New Limit.

What this episode covers

Armstrong traces Coinbase from a Ruby-coded hosted Bitcoin wallet built nights and weekends to a 5,000-person public company, recounting the two-year search for product-market fit that ended when he added a 'buy bitcoin' button. He digs into the engineering of an exchange: order books, slippage, fraud-prevention machine learning, and cybersecurity cat-and-mouse games. Much of the conversation covers crypto's bigger picture: economic freedom, self-custodial wallets, decentralization versus centralized exchanges, privacy coins, and the messy state of US regulation. He explains his controversial 2020 decision to keep Coinbase 'mission-focused' and out of social activism, and closes on leadership, his science bets (ResearchHub, New Limit cell-reprogramming), and advice to be a fixer rather than a critic.

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferencedISBN verified

Flash Boys

Michael Lewis

“flash boys was like an interesting book on this whole thing you want like access to information the fastest”— Brian Armstrong
BookReferenced

Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order

Ray Dalio

“i've been reading ray dalio recently um with his new book like the changing world order and i thought it was a really well researched book”— Brian Armstrong

Big reveals from this episode

  • Recounts a darkest moment: site down, 20,000 backed-up support tickets, his phone number posted on Reddit, curling up on the office floor and crying before getting back to fix the bug.
  • The pivot to product-market fit came from phoning five users who'd churned, hearing 'I don't have any bitcoins,' and adding a buy button that sent signups vertical.
  • Wrote an entire Bitcoin node in Ruby, which he calls a weird decision in hindsight since they had to rebuild it many times for performance.
  • States he genuinely believes Bitcoin could become the world's reserve currency, the gold standard of the crypto economy.
  • Made an exit package available after an employee walkout over his mission-focused stance; about 5% of staff took it and diversity numbers stayed the same or improved.
  • Says he lost a lot of trust in mainstream media after hit pieces followed his mission-focused blog post.
  • Admits he doesn't think there's any real purpose to life; he just wants to 'keep watching the movie' unfold.
  • Reveals he wrote 'start a billion dollar tech company' on paper almost daily for a year before having ever started any company.

Worth remembering

  • A favorite fraud signal was 'improbable travel velocity', an IP in Austin then London an hour later flags a spoofed device.
  • Real users type credit card numbers one digit at a time; scammers paste the whole number, so milliseconds between keystrokes is a tell.
  • Coinbase pays white-hat hackers via a bug bounty program to find vulnerabilities before black hats do.
  • Coinbase's mission is to increase economic freedom, a measurable index correlating with happiness, growth, and less corruption.
  • Armstrong lived a year in Buenos Aires and witnessed how hyperinflation breeds a 'don't stick your head up' pessimism.
  • Self-custodial wallets can use multi-sig or threshold signatures (e.g. two-of-three keys) so even a court order can't seize funds.
  • Coinbase supports Zcash partly because its 'view key' lets transactions be de-anonymized for compliance.
  • He estimates roughly one in five Americans have tried crypto, making outright crypto-skepticism hard to defend in DC.
  • His company New Limit pursues cell reprogramming via transcription factors to rejuvenate tissues and extend human health span.
  • Argues academic journals are a 'shitty scam', middlemen that paywall taxpayer-funded research while paying scientists nothing.