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Tim Ferriss · 2021-09-07

Founder of Dyson on How to Turn the Mundane into Magic — Sir James Dyson

Inventor Sir James Dyson on turning a clogging vacuum bag into an empire through 5,127 prototypes, persistence, and learning by failure.

Founder of Dyson on How to Turn the Mundane into Magic — Sir James Dyson
The guest

Sir James Dyson: Founder and chairman of Dyson, the engineering company behind bagless cyclonic vacuums, the Airblade hand dryer, and bladeless fans. A self-described amateur engineer trained in art and architecture who built one of the world's most inventive privately held technology companies.

What this episode covers

James Dyson recounts his path from art-school student to engineer, mentored by inventor Jeremy Fry, and the origin of his bagless vacuum after realizing that a vacuum bag is a filter that clogs and loses suction. He describes building 5,127 prototypes over years of debt before perfecting his cyclone, the years of rejection from licensees, and his eventual decision to manufacture the product himself. The conversation covers his core philosophy of changing one variable at a time, learning through failure, and backing your own instincts over market research. Dyson also discusses the Airblade hand dryer, the abandoned washing machine and electric car projects, why he keeps the company privately held, and his new book and engineering university aimed at inspiring more young engineers.

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

Invention: A Life

James Dyson

“james is the author of the brand new book invention subtitle a life the story of how he came to be an inventor himself and built dyson”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The 4-Hour Body

Tim Ferriss

“i recommended it in fact in the 4-hour body this is more than 10 years ago and i did not get paid to do so”— Tim Ferriss
ProductBy the guest

Dyson Airblade

Dyson

“i recall the first time i used the airblade where the air is acting like a blade almost like a squeegee on a windshield pulling the water off of your hands”— Tim Ferriss
ProductBy the guest

Dyson Washing Machine (Contrarotator)

Dyson

“we only really have one which is our washing machine but i don't call it a failure because i think it's a great washing machine”— James Dyson
ProductBy the guest

Dyson N526 Electric Car

Dyson

“in the case of n526 the electric car going into it i would imagine you were aware that compared to incumbents who had the infrastructure in place”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

ProductReferenced

Dyson V11 Animal

Dyson

“i have a dyson v11 animal about 40 feet from where i'm sitting i have hot and cool purifying fans throughout the house”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

Dyson Hot and Cool Purifying Fan

Dyson

“i have hot and cool purifying fans throughout the house because my girlfriend and i otherwise fight over the central heating”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

Sony Walkman

Sony

“think of the walkman and how that has changed everybody's life but his company didn't want to do the walkman because it wouldn't record”— James Dyson
ProductReferenced

iPhone

Apple

“the i part almost the iphone almost everything's come from mp3 players they've all come from that one idea that you want to play back”— James Dyson
ProductReferenced

Honda Lawnmower

Honda

“a honda lawnmower was the first lawnmower i ever had which always started first time even after the winter with the old petrol”— James Dyson
ProductReferenced

Moulton Bicycle

Alex Moulton

“he then developed a very small wheeled bicycle called the molten bicycle which had very small wheels and you have to pump the tires up incredibly hard”— James Dyson
ProductReferenced

Whittle Welland Jet Engine

Frank Whittle

“we've in fact got one of his one of the very first engines he did it's called a welland and i bought it off someone the enthusiast”— James Dyson

Big reveals from this episode

  • Dyson's breakthrough insight came when he emptied a vacuum bag and found it still had no suction, realizing the bag is a clogging filter, not a depository for dust.
  • It took 5,126 failed prototypes before the 5,127th cyclone worked, built roughly one per day while testing for dust capture and airflow.
  • Every major vacuum company turned him down when he tried to license the technology, partly because of the lucrative 'razor blade' replacement-bag business model.
  • After about 10-11 years of failed licensing, Dyson decided to manufacture vacuums himself, starting with just three engineers, no factory, and no money.
  • Dyson bet everything by putting his house up as collateral, signing endless bank guarantee forms with every penny on the line.
  • The Dyson washing machine was a commercial failure caused by underpricing on advice from the marketing department, despite being a better engineering product.
  • Dyson stopped its electric car (N526) around 2018-2019 because production costs would be roughly 50% higher than a BMW or Mercedes, making it commercially unviable.
  • His bank manager approved a critical 400,000 pound loan partly because his wife said 'I hate bags' and because Dyson's determination in a long US lawsuit showed grit.

Worth remembering

  • With mentor Jeremy Fry, Dyson developed a 'wheelboat' that traveled across water propelled and floated by its own wheels, plus a vacuum cleaner and an electric wheelchair.
  • The vacuum cyclone idea came from an industrial powder-coating cyclone Dyson built 30 feet high to stop a cloth filter from clogging at his wheelbarrow factory.
  • Dyson's first retail customers were low-brow mail-order catalog companies, not high-end stores, because established retailers refused to stock the strange-looking machine.
  • Dyson observed that the poorer and more house-proud people are, the more important vacuuming is, and that vacuum sales are recession-proof.
  • Dyson admires Akio Morita of Sony for launching the Walkman, a tape recorder that didn't record, over his own company's objections.
  • Frank Whittle wrote the theory of the jet engine in a child's exercise book and reduced an engine with 12,000 moving parts down to essentially one.
  • The Airblade was the first product to use Dyson's new motor running at 120,000 rpm, compared to a jet engine's 15,000 rpm and an F1 engine's 19,000 rpm.
  • Dyson's electric car used wheels nearly a meter in diameter to reduce motion resistance, which also improved ride comfort and grip in snow and mud.
  • Dyson founded the Dyson Institute of Engineering and Technology where students pay zero tuition, earn a salary, and just earned university status with its first cohort graduating.
  • At Cambridge, Dyson funded a workshop because the university taught engineering only theoretically, with no machine shop for students to build their ideas.