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Tim Ferriss · 2020-12-01

Short Introduction to True Wilderness Skills and Survival — Steven Rinella

Steven Rinella debunks survival fantasies and explains the simple, unglamorous preparation that actually keeps you safe in the wilderness.

Short Introduction to True Wilderness Skills and Survival — Steven Rinella
The guest

Steven Rinella: Host of the Netflix series MeatEater and the MeatEater podcast, and author of seven books on wildlife conservation, hunting, fishing, and wild foods. His newest is The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival.

What this episode covers

Tim Ferriss interviews Steven Rinella about the gap between fantasized survival scenarios and the mundane realities that actually get people into trouble outdoors. Rinella argues that most wilderness danger is somewhat willful and largely preventable through simple preparation rather than dramatic skills like starting fires with bow drills. He walks through practical gear and systems: mapping and satellite communication, a compact personal kit, water sourcing and purification, vehicle preparedness, and freeze-dried food. He stresses that the real killers are 'little things' like hypothermia and waterborne pathogens, not bears or mountain lions, and that preparation delivers a psychological payoff he calls 'wilderness swagger.'

Recommended on this episode

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onX

onX

“there are many i like on x”
“on x is a mapping service there are many i like on x and just for full clarity i also you know work closely with the folks at onyx”— Steven Rinella
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Garmin inReach

Garmin

“the pre-programming with the texts is i think like a key step pre-departure”
“i used a garmin inreach when i was in south america at one point and the pre-programming with the texts is i think like a key step pre-departure”— Tim Ferriss
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Garmin Earth Mate

Garmin

“then you just have at it man... then you can send out novellas”
“there's an iphone app called garmin earth mate and garmin earth mate pairs with your inreach device over bluetooth”— Steven Rinella
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OR Backcountry Organizer

Outdoor Research

“i've long been a fan of a thing called the or backcountry organizer”
“i've long been a fan of a thing called the or backcountry organizer and it's a it'd be like a slightly flattened pretty big coffee mug size”— Steven Rinella
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FHF Gear Organizers

FHF Gear

“fhf make certain organizers that are pretty heavy duty they're great”
“there are other companies that make you know fhf make certain organizers that are pretty heavy duty they're great”— Steven Rinella
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Leatherman Wave

Leatherman

“i use a leather man i like the wave a lot”
“i use a leather man i like the wave a lot it's heavy i got friends that really don't like them i'll tell you what i like on them”— Steven Rinella
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Benchmade Bugout

Benchmade

“a very high quality very lightweight pocket knife called a bug out”
“i carry like a very high quality very lightweight pocket knife called a bug out... it's very lightweight very sharp you get in a variety of ways”— Steven Rinella
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Nalgene Bottle

Nalgene

“the gray bottles are very durable you can freeze stuff in them it doesn't crack them they're great”
“a good universal water kit... use a nalgene bottle... the gray bottles are very durable you can freeze stuff in them it doesn't crack them they're great”— Steven Rinella
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SteriPen

SteriPen

“i have used what's called a steripen with great results i love them”
“for years now i have used what's called a steripen with great results i love them it's a uv light wand imagine a lightsaber that's maybe five inches long”— Steven Rinella
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Peak Refuel

Peak Refuel

“peak refuel we eat a lot of that”
“peak refuel we eat a lot of that does dried food there are a bunch of them out there”— Steven Rinella

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The 4-Hour Body

Tim Ferriss

“you might recognize the name because kelly was in the four-hour body he was in tools of titans he's been on this podcast”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Tools of Titans

Tim Ferriss

“kelly was in the four-hour body he was in tools of titans he's been on this podcast”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival

Steven Rinella

“the author of seven books dealing with wildlife conservation hunting fishing and wild foods including the meat eater guide to wilderness skills and survival which is his newest”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

The Tao of Seneca

Tim Ferriss

“i've also used 99 designs for all sorts of high-end illustration for different books like the tao of seneca”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

MeatEater

Netflix

“he is the host of the netflix original series meat eater and the meat eater podcast”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

Gaia GPS

Gaia GPS

“there are other ones there's like gaia and a handful other ones um you can i'm not sure if google earth has download function quite like onx does”— Steven Rinella
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Dyneema Cord

“two 25 foot length dyneema cords that are very thin they're like three or four mil chords... it's like a souped up it's a souped-up strong lightweight paracord”— Steven Rinella
BookReferencedISBN verified

Annals of the Former World

John McPhee

“he wrote this pulitzer prize trilogy that it came out as like basin and range whatever it's annals of the former world so it's three massive books all combined together”— Tim Ferriss
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Mountain House

Oregon Freeze Dry

“their consumer brand is mountain house and so mount house is pretty ubiquitous like you walk into any sporting goods store or whatever you'll see... i think it even turns up in costco”— Steven Rinella
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Heather's Choice

Heather's Choice

“heather's does the company have his choice it does some freeze-dried stuff peak refuel we eat a lot of that”— Steven Rinella
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The Road

Cormac McCarthy

“people are thinking where it's going to be on the road by cory mccarthy and people are going to be trying to eat my kids”— Tim Ferriss

Big reveals from this episode

  • Rinella calls the survival-fantasy fixation on drinking your own urine 'nonsense' that does no good, and dismisses cinematic ways of killing large animals as 'hogwash.'
  • He explains paradoxical undressing: as hypothermia victims run out of energy to constrict blood vessels, hot blood rushes back to the skin creating a burning sensation, so they shed clothing and even jewelry before dying.
  • He sums up the entire wilderness skills and survival book in two things: onX (a downloadable mapping app with GPS that works without cell signal) and an inReach satellite messaging device.
  • Rinella reframes survival, saying the vast majority of outdoor trouble is 'somewhat willful' from choices like driving in bad weather, not shipwrecks or plane crashes.
  • He bluntly tells listeners that 99.9 percent of people will never start a fire in a wet environment with anything other than matches or a lighter, because those who can use bow drills practice constantly.
  • He warns waterborne pathogens are a bigger real-world threat than bears or mountain lions and have made him debilitatingly sick multiple times.
  • He describes the ultimate benefit of preparation as 'wilderness swagger' that frees you from baseless anxiety so you can focus on what you came to do.

Worth remembering

  • The number one state for hypothermia deaths is Alaska, and number three is New Mexico, which surprised Rinella because people think of it as warm.
  • African elephants pump blood into their large ears to shed heat like a radiator, while ice-age woolly mammoths had very small ears to conserve heat.
  • Cotton balls rubbed with petroleum jelly stuffed in a chew tin make phenomenal fire starters that work wet and, unlike accelerants, are never confiscated by TSA.
  • After September 11th, people waiting at remote Alaskan airstrips to be picked up suddenly heard no aircraft and didn't know the world had changed, since aircraft are 'their car' in bush Alaska.
  • An Alaska volcanic ash event in the 1980s flamed out all four engines of a jet as the ash turned glassy, before the engines were relit and the plane landed.
  • A SteriPen UV light wand can purify a quart of water in 90 seconds, though heavily turbid water requires double or triple dosing for light penetration.
  • Burning candles in a stranded car can raise the temperature several degrees safely, while running a fossil-fuel stove risks fatal carbon monoxide poisoning if you fall asleep.
  • Freeze-dried food works by sublimation in a vacuum chamber, where frozen water skips the liquid phase and goes directly to gas, yielding shelf lives of 30 to 40 years.
  • Rinella notes evidence the Incas naturally freeze-dried potatoes at high elevation, and preserved child sacrifices (the children of Llullaillaco) from the 1490s so well that coca leaves remain on one child's lips.
  • During an Austin, Texas flood, fecal contamination triggered a citywide boil-water warning and all bottled water sold out within roughly 12 to 24 hours.