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Barry Barish: Gravitational Waves and the Most Precise Device Ever Built | Lex Fridman Podcast #213

Nobel laureate Barry Barish explains how LIGO measured gravitational waves with the most precise instrument humans have ever built.

Barry Barish: Gravitational Waves and the Most Precise Device Ever Built | Lex Fridman Podcast #213
The guest

Barry Barish: Theoretical physicist at Caltech and 2017 Nobel laureate in Physics for his leadership of the LIGO detector that first observed gravitational waves.

What this episode covers

Barry Barish walks Lex Fridman through the century-long arc of gravitational waves, from Einstein's 1916 prediction and the early controversy over whether they exist, to the engineering feats that made LIGO work. He explains how LIGO uses kilometers-long laser interferometers, multi-layer shock absorbers, and active seismic cancellation to measure distortions one-thousandth the width of a proton. The conversation covers black holes, the matter-antimatter asymmetry, dark matter, string theory's lack of predictive power, and the dream of a unified theory. It closes on Fermi's paradox, Mars as an off-site backup for humanity, Russian literature, and Barish's reflections on mortality and legacy.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommended

The Plague

Albert Camus

“the most important book that i've read in the last year”
“the most important book that i've read in the last year when i've been forced to be isolated was existential literature it was i decided to reread camous the plague”— Barry Barish
BookRecommended

The Plague

Albert Camus

“that's a great book it's a great book”
“oh yeah that's a great book it's a great book and it's right now to read it it's fine i think that book is about love”— Lex Fridman
BookRecommended

The Idiot

Fyodor Dostoevsky

“one of my favorite books of his is the idiot”
“one of my favorite books of his is the idiot and his which is a christ-like figure in there well there's prince miskin”— Barry Barish
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Old Man and the Sea

Ernest Hemingway

“i recommend people read old man in the sea much shorter much better”
“in terms of fish i recommend people read old man in the sea much shorter much better it's still a metaphor though”— Lex Fridman
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Dubliners (The Dead)

James Joyce

“only the dead the final story is still rings with me today”
“his short stories the dead i think it's called was very good ... the final story is still rings with me today”— Lex Fridman

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferenced

The Ratchet of Curiosity

unknown

“there's an interesting book called the ratchet of curiosity you know a ratchet is something that goes in one direction”— Barry Barish
BookReferencedISBN verified

Man's Search for Meaning

Viktor Frankl

“it's like uh victor franco has a man search for meaning i have a similar kind of sense of um of the cruelty of human nature”— Lex Fridman
BookReferencedISBN verified

Ulysses

James Joyce

“i got through ulysses with the help of some cliff notes and so on but uh and so i did ulysses and then finnegan's wake”— Lex Fridman
ProductReferenced

Bose noise-canceling earphones

Bose

“that's the same principle that's in these little bose uh uh earphones noise canceling noise cancelling”— Barry Barish

Big reveals from this episode

  • Einstein himself doubted gravitational waves existed and submitted a 1936 paper titled 'Do Gravitational Waves Exist?' that he withdrew in anger after a critical peer review.
  • Einstein never published in Physical Review again after the editor sent his paper to a referee who found his math error.
  • LIGO measures distortions of 10 to the minus 18 meters, one-thousandth the size of a proton, the smallest measurement ever attempted.
  • Beyond the world's fanciest four-layer shock absorbers, LIGO adds active noise cancellation using seismometers and actuators inside the isolation system.
  • The black hole collision LIGO detected happened 1.3 billion years ago, when life on Earth was just transitioning from single-cell to multicellular.
  • After a 100-million-dollar rebuild adding active seismic isolation, LIGO turned on in 2015 and almost instantly saw its first black hole collision.
  • The team verified they had not been hacked, even though LIGO is not on the internet, before announcing the discovery.
  • Barish says reading Moby Dick at 15 'cured' him of wanting to be a novelist and pushed him toward physics.

Worth remembering

  • LIGO's two detectors sit 3,000 kilometers apart with four-kilometer vacuum arms, operating in unison.
  • Enrico Fermi was the last physicist of note to be both a great experimentalist and theorist, writing his beta-decay theory in 1933.
  • GPS would put you off the road within minutes if it did not correct for Einstein's general relativity.
  • Human ears evolved to hear in the audio band precisely because that is the frequency range where the Earth is quietest.
  • LIGO is the world's biggest high-vacuum system, built from stainless steel spiral-welded into four-kilometer tubes.
  • Before the pandemic LIGO was detecting a gravitational wave event roughly once a week.
  • LIGO has observed a black hole system 140 times the mass of the Sun, which standard star collapse should not be able to produce.
  • Barish compares a future Mars settlement to the self-sustaining South Pole station, which he visited at minus 51 degrees.
  • We detect only about four percent of what is out there using electromagnetic waves.