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Tim Ferriss · 2024-09-04

Tim Ferriss’s Sabbatical, Kevin Rose Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools, and More — The Tim Ferriss Show

Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose riff on podcast sabbaticals, modern dating, longevity science, mediums, and ketamine therapy on the Random Show.

Tim Ferriss’s Sabbatical, Kevin Rose Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools, and More — The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

Kevin Rose: Kevin Rose with Tim Ferriss

What this episode covers

In this Random Show, Tim Ferriss explains why he took his first podcast sabbatical in ten years to draft a new book, and how he wants to reshape his interview approach going forward. The pair cover skincare experiments like the vampire facial, Tim's systematic approach to dating and starting a family, and rucking and back-pain training tools. They dive deep into longevity science, including the protein klotho as a potential Alzheimer's breakthrough that Kevin's fund is investing in, plus rapamycin for aging dogs. Kevin recounts an emotional session with a psychic medium about his late father, and Tim shares stories of unexplained phenomena witnessed during ayahuasca ceremonies. They close with a candid, cautionary discussion of IV and intramuscular ketamine therapy for treatment-resistant depression following Matthew Perry's death.

Recommended on this episode

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“I'll make a recommendation or something that makes it very clear”
“But he wrote an essay called "The Top Idea in Your Mind," or "A Top Idea in Your Mind." And it talks about effectively attention as a currency”— Tim Ferriss
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Bobby Fingers (YouTube channel)

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“I strongly recommend people check it out. And two of my favorites... Michael Jackson or Mel Gibson are a great place to start”
“Bobby Fingers is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade. And he is one of the most unbelievably skilled artists”— Tim Ferriss
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Jake Kaminski (archery YouTube channel)

Jake Kaminski

“I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery”
“I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery, especially recurve. He is amazing”— Tim Ferriss
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Outdoorsmans Atlas Trainer Frame System

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“he recommended the Outdoorsmans Atlas Trainer Frame System”
“he recommended the Outdoorsmans Atlas Trainer Frame System. So what is this? I'll tell you the problem it solves.”— Tim Ferriss
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Painted Porch (bookstore)

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“If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores, visit Painted Porch”
“If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores, visit Painted Porch.”— Kevin Rose
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Original Love

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“Got to give him a plug... The book is fantastic”
“original of Henry Shukman's new book, who is my Zen master. Got to give him a plug... The book is fantastic.”— Kevin Rose
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A Breakthrough in Alzheimer's Disease: The Promising Potential of Klotho (The Drive podcast episode)

Peter Attia

“Peter Attia did a fantastic episode, which we both, I would say would highly recommend”
“Peter Attia did a fantastic episode, which we both, I would say would highly recommend with Dena, who is a fantastic researcher out of UCSF”— Kevin Rose
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Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech

Jerry Seinfeld

“Amazing. Just trust me, check it out”
“So one is Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech... Amazing. Just trust me, check it out.”— Tim Ferriss
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David Hockney: The Art of Seeing (documentary)

“It's tremendous. And you can find it on YouTube”
“Then there's a very old documentary that I watched again, David Hockney: The Art of Seeing... It's tremendous.”— Tim Ferriss
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Blood Meridian

Cormac McCarthy

“It is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read... the prose is so gorgeous”
“It is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read... called Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy”— Tim Ferriss
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The Bear

Andrew Krivak

“But it's beautiful... That's a very special book”
“The Bear by Andrew Krivak... is a beautiful story of a girl and her father who lived close to the land... That's a very special book.”— Tim Ferriss
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The Birth of Saké (documentary)

“Highly recommend watching that documentary, The Birth of Saké”
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“I bought a sake there called Hitorimusume, which means "single daughter," which to this day I've been trying to find. So good.”— Tim Ferriss
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Hi Ren

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“It's called Hi Ren, R-E-N, by Ren, who is a musician, storyteller, lyricist. And it's fucking incredible.”— Tim Ferriss
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The Well of Being

Jean-Pierre Weill

“And this has made an impact on me. It's a beautiful book”
“Called The Well of Being by Jean-Pierre Weill... And this has made an impact on me. It's a beautiful book.”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

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LALO Tequila

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The 4-Hour Body

Tim Ferriss

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The 4-Hour Chef

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“The first hunt I ever did was for The 4-Hour Chef long ago. That was 2012”— Tim Ferriss
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The Way (meditation app)

Henry Shukman

“And his app, The Way, fantastic meditation app. You and I are both investors in.”— Kevin Rose
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The 4-Hour Workweek

Tim Ferriss

“for instance, if you look at The 4-Hour Workweek, So I get rid of, not get rid of, but I automate my whole business”— Tim Ferriss

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PicStudio.AI

Addison

“he also does an AI company, part-time, called PicStudio.AI, which just came out with a new model”— Kevin Rose
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Feno (smart toothbrush)

Feno

“This is called a Feno. This is my buddy's new startup... this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in 20 seconds”— Kevin Rose
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The Intelligent Investor

Benjamin Graham

“I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended, The Intelligent Investor, all these.”— Kevin Rose
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Why We Sleep

Matthew Walker

“Who also wrote Why We Sleep, which was a mega, mega bestseller.”— Tim Ferriss
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An Honest Liar (documentary about The Amazing Randi)

“there's a documentary about the Amazing Randi called An Honest Liar, and I've watched documentaries on mentalists”— Tim Ferriss
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Yoshida Brewery sake

Yoshida Brewery

“it's this little tiny brewery called Yoshida Brewery... they actually sell this, I found this sake, I have it upstairs”— Kevin Rose
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True Sake (sake store)

True Sake

“there's a great store in San Francisco, I'm sure you probably remember it, called True Sake. Remember over in Hayes Valley”— Kevin Rose
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Flux (AI image model)

Black Forest Labs

“there was a team at Stable Diffusion or Stability AI. Those folks left and basically started another open source model... competing with Midjourney”— Addison
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Prompt Hunt

“Well, you guys originally brought up Prompt Hunt like maybe two years ago now, or maybe a year and a half ago.”— Addison

Big reveals from this episode

  • Tim Ferriss reveals he took his first podcast sabbatical in 10 years (roughly four months) to write his first new book in seven years, and plans a 'barbell' guest strategy of total unknowns or huge names with little in between.
  • Tim explains his viral 'Romanian Vampire Protocol' Instagram post was a joke, while Kevin details actually getting a real vampire facial (PRP microneedling) at the dermatologist.
  • Tim openly discusses his systematic 'radical planning' approach to dating, wanting a partner in the 28-35 range who is ready and excited to build a family biologically.
  • Kevin reveals True Ventures is leading a large investment to bring the longevity protein klotho into human trials within about a year and a half, framing it as a potential 'Ozempic for the mind' for Alzheimer's.
  • Kevin recounts speaking to his dead father through a $150 psychic medium, who correctly referenced a half-sister Kevin had that was never on the internet, leaving him sobbing.
  • Tim describes firsthand witnessing people with no exposure speak or sing coherently for up to an hour in indigenous languages (Shipibo, Kichwa-Lamista) and a dead language during ayahuasca ceremonies.
  • Kevin announces an upcoming podcast where he filmed himself undergoing intramuscular ketamine treatment to demystify it as a tool for treatment-resistant depression and suicidal ideation.
  • Tim warns that ketamine is 'like alcohol times 100' for taking the edge off and should never be self-administered outside a clinic, citing high-functioning people who derailed their lives.

Worth remembering

  • Tim got a staph infection 12 years ago after a clinic used the wrong injection site for a PRP joint injection, swelling his elbow to the size of a volleyball, and he later squirted the drained fluid at Kevin in the ER.
  • Tim recommends the Outdoorsmans Atlas Trainer Frame rucking system (recommended by Olympic archer Jake Kaminski) that accepts standard Olympic plates for progressive resistance.
  • Kevin gifts Tim a 'Feno' device, a startup product that brushes the entire mouth in 20 seconds and has built-in sensors that scan gum health to send to your dentist.
  • Tim, Kevin, Peter Attia, and Brian Armstrong all funded the Dog Aging Project's rapamycin study with researcher Matt Kaeberlein; Kevin's 14-year-old dog Toaster has done courses of rapamycin.
  • If you carry the APOE4 gene you face dramatically higher Alzheimer's risk, but being a klotho overproducer can level the playing field; in monkeys a subcutaneous klotho shot made them about 20 percent smarter for four weeks.
  • Kevin started a paid Substack donating 100 percent of the first month's proceeds to fund a Matt Walker sleep study on antioxidants that may repair a bad night's sleep.
  • Kevin donated stock to UCSF researcher Dena Dubal to fund a $50k klotho study she started about a week and a half later, illustrating how small checks can rapidly accelerate science.
  • Tim notes ayahuasca combines Banisteriopsis caapi vine with Psychotria viridis (chacruna), comparing the variability to spins on an old-fashioned cocktail.
  • The documentary 'The Birth of Sake' covers Yoshida Brewery, one of only about a thousand remaining handmade sake breweries (down from roughly 4,000 a decade ago), where workers leave families to tend sake around the clock for six months.
  • Addison explains the new open-source Flux AI image model came from former Stability AI team members, and despite claims you couldn't fine-tune it, training loras became possible within 24 hours of launch.