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Joe Rogan · 2024-06-27

Joe Rogan Experience #1959 - David Buss

Evolutionary psychologist David Buss explains the science of human mating, sex differences, infidelity, and why society denies them.

Joe Rogan Experience #1959 - David Buss
The guest

David Buss: Evolutionary psychologist at the University of Texas at Austin, pioneer in the study of human mating strategies and author of The Evolution of Desire

What this episode covers

David Buss walks Joe Rogan through Darwin's theory of sexual selection and how its two pathways, same-sex competition and mate choice, shape human behavior. He details large, cross-culturally replicated sex differences in mate preferences, sexual variety, jealousy, and the motivations behind infidelity, including his shift away from the 'good genes dual mating' theory toward a 'mate switching' hypothesis. Much of the conversation examines how evolutionarily novel technologies like Instagram, OnlyFans, pornography, dating apps, and birth control pills are disrupting modern mating. Buss repeatedly argues that ideological 'sex difference denialism' has infected universities and even harms women, citing examples from sexual harassment law and medicine.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

Your Brain on Birth Control

Sarah Hill

“which I recommended”
“Sarah hill by the way a professor at uh Texas Christian University... she's written a book called your brain on birth control which I recommended”— David Buss

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Murderer Next Door

David Buss

“you wrote a whole book on murder I wrote a whole book on murder yeah uh you know uh yeah the murderer next door”— David Buss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Evolution of Desire

David Buss

“I would say the first one to start with would be the evolution of Desire because that gives a broad overview of human strategies of human mating”— David Buss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Dangerous Passion: Why Jealousy Is as Necessary as Love and Sex

David Buss

“you've written so many different books on mating uh the dangerous passion why jealousy is as necessary as love and sex”— Joe Rogan
BookBy the guestISBN verified

When Men Behave Badly

David Buss

“the evolution of Desire the murderer next door the dangerous passion and uh when men behave badly all of it”— Joe Rogan

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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The Blank Slate

Steven Pinker

“I'm a big fan of his... his book The Blank Slate um lays all this out”— David Buss
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The Prince

Niccolo Machiavelli

“this actually came from originally from the book The Prince which is one of these um classic books where um there's an advisor to the prince”— David Buss
ProductReferenced

Adderall

“you would imagine that he's definitely on Adderall or something yeah that's what I was thinking”— Joe Rogan
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Ambien

“when they introduced Ambien the generic Zolpidem they... were giving exactly the same doses that were appropriate for men to women”— David Buss
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Game of Thrones

“I don't think I saw Aquaman but I remember him from Game of Thrones yeah”— Joe Rogan
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Aquaman

“like like Jason how do you pronounce his name Aquaman uh yeah he's uh like super Mexican”— David Buss
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Conan the Barbarian

“I remember him from Game of Thrones yeah um... Conan the Barbarian too yeah”— Joe Rogan
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Rosemary's Baby

“as the baby is coming out of her body looked down and wonder gee is this kid really mine maybe Rosemary's Baby”— David Buss
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Playboy

“he thought she could be in Playboy and so he brought her down to LA and turned out she she was”— David Buss

Big reveals from this episode

  • Buss reveals he changed his mind, abandoning the 'good genes dual mating' theory of female infidelity after replication failures and finding 79% of women fall in love with their affair partner.
  • He now backs the 'mate switching hypothesis' that women use affairs to exit a failing relationship or trade up to a more desirable partner.
  • Men's affairs are driven mainly by desire for sexual variety, and unlike women, men who cheat are not less happy in their relationships.
  • Buss describes mate-guarding behaviors and the uncomfortable hypothesis that intimate-partner abuse is sometimes 'functional' at deterring infidelity and defection.
  • Studies show men repeatedly exposed to sexualized images of women decrease commitment to their current partner.
  • Sex differences are actually larger in gender-egalitarian countries like Norway and Sweden, contradicting social role theory.
  • Buss reveals he felt compelled, for the first time in his career, to get his department chair's backing before teaching biological sex differences.

Worth remembering

  • Darwin wrote that 'the sight of a peacock gives me nightmares' because its plumage defied his survival-based theory of natural selection.
  • Minimum obligatory parental investment is one act of sex for men versus nine months of pregnancy for women.
  • Estimates suggest 20-40% of women have affairs even in committed long-term relationships.
  • Buss hypothesizes psychopathy has increased over the last 10,000 years as cities and migration reduced reputational costs of exploitation.
  • Only about 3-4% of the 5,000+ mammal species show any long-term pair-bonded, male-investing strategy.
  • Pregnant women avoid foods like broccoli and coffee because they contain minute teratogenic toxins that could harm the fetus.
  • Ancestrally a person met only a few dozen potential mates in a lifetime, versus millions visible today online.
  • At UT Austin the undergraduate ratio is roughly 54% women to 46% men, part of a global education reversal favoring women.
  • Women are far more sensitive to Ambien than men even correcting for body weight, causing harm when given identical doses.