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Tim Ferriss · 2024-07-29

Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler — The Tim Ferriss Show

A 10-year anniversary 'super combo' episode pairing Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler on risk, failure, identity, and creative courage.

Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler — The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler: Matthew McConaughey is an Academy Award-winning actor (Dallas Buyers Club, Interstellar, True Detective) and number-one New York Times bestselling author of Greenlights. Aisha Tyler is a comedian, actor (Criminal Minds), Whose Line Is It Anyway host, director of the film Axis, author, and co-founder of margarita brand Loop.

What this episode covers

This is a curated 'super combo' anniversary compilation from the Tim Ferriss Show, marking 10 years and over 1 billion downloads. The first half features Matthew McConaughey on the book that changed his life, his decades-long diary habit, his father's lessons, and the bold sabbatical from romantic comedies that let him 'unbrand' and reinvent his career. The second half features Aisha Tyler on her aggressive, fearless upbringing, learning comedy through relentless bombing and stage time, the contraction of the comedy economy, and her transition into directing the film Axis. Both guests circle the same themes: courting failure, staying true to yourself, valuing engagement and effort over outcomes, and the freedom that comes from not chasing perfection.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Greatest Salesman in the World

Og Mandino

“the most instrumental piece of literature and motivation I've ever read for me in my life”
“that book is the most instrumental piece of literature and motivation I've ever read for me in my life”— Matthew McConaughey
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Graveyard Book

Neil Gaiman

“everybody should listen to his Audi book of the graveyard book narrated by him”
“everybody should listen to his Audi book of the graveyard book narrated by him he has also the most soothing voice imaginable”— Tim Ferriss
ProductRecommended

Concept2 Ergometer (rowing machine)

Concept2

“it's the best it's the single best piece of equipment that I have”
“I still use my agrometer my concept to ergometer I have had it since 2000 it is 18 years old I have never had to repair it or replace any parts it's the best”— Aisha Tyler
ProductRecommended

LivOn Labs Lypo-Spheric Glutathione

LivOn Labs

“I'm rowing like faster now than I did in my 20s ... before the glutathion I was running slow and now I'm just like a jack rabbit”
“you can get this like fat soluble glutathion that you just take you just like gulp down it tastes like axle grease”— Aisha Tyler
MediaRecommended

The Walking Dead

“those are always really good workout shows”
“I love I I watch The Walking Dead Fear The Walking Dead those are always really good workout shows”— Aisha Tyler
MediaRecommended

Fear the Walking Dead

“those are always really good workout shows”
“I watch The Walking Dead Fear The Walking Dead those are always really good workout shows right now I'm watching The Magicians”— Aisha Tyler
MediaRecommended

Deutschland 83

“that was pretty great”
“I just watched a show called deuts land 83 that was pretty great it has to be something that I can kind of watch”— Aisha Tyler
MediaRecommended

Jodorowsky's Dune

Frank Pavich

“this fantastic documentary ... it's fantastic mostly for the message”
“it's called yoda War's Dune and it's the story of this attempt to make a movie about Dune and the thing is a complete unmitigated disaster”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

MediaBy the guest

Dazed and Confused

Richard Linklater

“Matthew mccon Academy award-winning actor who has starred in Dazed and Confused Dallas Buyers Club Interstellar and HBO's True Detective”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

Dallas Buyers Club

Jean-Marc Vallee

“Matthew mccon Academy award-winning actor who has starred in Dazed and Confused Dallas Buyers Club Interstellar and HBO's True Detective”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

Interstellar

Christopher Nolan

“Matthew mccon Academy award-winning actor who has starred in Dazed and Confused Dallas Buyers Club Interstellar and HBO's True Detective”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

True Detective

HBO

“Matthew mccon Academy award-winning actor who has starred in Dazed and Confused Dallas Buyers Club Interstellar and HBO's True Detective”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Greenlights

Matthew McConaughey

“the number one New York Times bestselling author of green lights and just because you can find Matthew on Instagram”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

Killer Joe

William Friedkin

“start getting some offers that are interesting things William freakin Killer Joe Lee Daniels paper boy Jeff Nichols wrote mud for me”— Matthew McConaughey
MediaBy the guest

The Paperboy

Lee Daniels

“William freakin Killer Joe Lee Daniels paper boy Jeff Nichols wrote mud for me Steven soberg called Magic Mike”— Matthew McConaughey
MediaBy the guest

Mud

Jeff Nichols

“Lee Daniels paper boy Jeff Nichols wrote mud for me Steven soberg called Magic Mike Richard link later I go to Bernie”— Matthew McConaughey
MediaBy the guest

Magic Mike

Steven Soderbergh

“Jeff Nichols wrote mud for me Steven soberg called Magic Mike Richard link later I go to Bernie together True Detective comes around”— Matthew McConaughey
MediaBy the guest

Bernie

Richard Linklater

“Steven soberg called Magic Mike Richard link later I go to Bernie together True Detective comes around all of a sudden Dallas Buyers Club”— Matthew McConaughey
MediaBy the guest

A Time to Kill

Joel Schumacher

“I got major Fame very quickly after A Time to Kill came out the film I did in 96”— Matthew McConaughey
MediaBy the guest

Criminal Minds

“now Aisha Tyler a star of the hit television show Criminal Minds a comedian and the host of the CW's top rated improv show Whose Line Is It Anyway”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

Whose Line Is It Anyway

CW

“the host of the CW's top rated improv show Whose Line Is It Anyway an award-winning director best-selling author and activist”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Self-Inflicted Wounds: Heartwarming Tales of Epic Humiliation

Aisha Tyler

“you have a book titled self-inflicted wounds subtitle heartwarming Tales of Epic humiliation can you maybe repeat or even paraphrase the question”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

Axis

Aisha Tyler

“axis is a thriller about an expatriate Irish actor living in Los Angeles who has had a lot of success kind of explosive success in his Youth”— Aisha Tyler
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Tribe of Mentors

Tim Ferriss

“I'm looking at text in a book that you contributed to happens to be tribe of men this fantastic book”— Tim Ferriss
MediaBy the guest

Archer

“the movies out on the 10th of April on video man iTunes all that stuff and then Archer starts I think on the 24th of April”— Aisha Tyler

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

Hanna

“it's making me think of the movie Hannah where this Eric band trains his daughter to be a super killer”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

Outliers

Malcolm Gladwell

“it's literally like Malcolm gladwell's 10,000 hours and you're not going to get 10,000 hours of stand up hanging out in San Francisco”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

Out of Sight

“it was straight prison yard Dynamics right like nobody the line from uh out of sight right just like the yard nobody backing down”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

The Zen Diaries of Garry Shandling

Judd Apatow

“there's a documentary about Gary shanding out right now which I haven't watched but I'm sure that this is in there because he was very famous for being a really disciplined writer”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

Penny Dreadful

John Logan

“I had a friend who had a show called Penny Dreadful John Logan who creative Penny Dreadful I met him at Comic Con”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

Vikings

“over visiting Penny Dreadful and Vikings shot right up the road so I got them to let me visit that set”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

The Wire

“ended up shadowing with some really incredible people ended up spending several days on the wire and its last season”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

What About Bob?

“for those of you who get the What About Bob reference there's this groundbreaking new book oh yes here it is”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

TRX Suspension Trainer

TRX

“I have a TRX body weight system I have two kettle bells a 25 and a 35 I have my ergometer I have battle ropes”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

The Magicians

“right now I'm watching The Magicians during my workouts and then when I finish that what will I watch after that”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

The X-Files

“I'll stream like stream stuff on Hulu like xfiles or handmaid's tail or I just watched a show called deuts land 83”— Aisha Tyler
MediaReferenced

The Handmaid's Tale

“I'll stream like stream stuff on Hulu like xfiles or handmaid's tail or I just watched a show called deuts land 83”— Aisha Tyler

Big reveals from this episode

  • McConaughey describes how Og Mandino's 'The Greatest Salesman in the World' literally 'found' him buried seven magazines deep on a couch, and reading it gave him the confidence to abandon law school for film school.
  • He recounts calling his father to say he wanted film school instead of law; after a pause his dad replied 'don't half-ass it,' giving him permission and responsibility.
  • McConaughey reveals a list of 10 life goals written September 1, 1992 (including 'win Oscar for best actor') that he forgot about for nearly 30 years yet subconsciously accomplished.
  • He explains his decision to stop taking lucrative romantic comedies, turning down offers that climbed from $8 million to $14.5 million to hold out for challenging work.
  • After roughly 20-22 months in a career 'desert,' the dramatic roles he wanted finally came (Killer Joe, Mud, Magic Mike, Dallas Buyers Club, True Detective) because he had 'unbranded' himself.
  • Aisha Tyler describes a set in a San Francisco laundromat open mic where she got zero laughs and gained a lifelong 'bulletproof' mental armor from it.
  • Tyler details her film Axis: a real-time thriller shot entirely inside a car with only the lead actor on screen and all other actors performing as voices over the phone.
  • She reveals Axis was crowdfunded for about $200,000 on Kickstarter and shot in just 7 days by filming the entire 80-page script straight through with three cameras each day.

Worth remembering

  • Og Mandino's book instructs the reader to read each of its 10 scrolls three times a day for 30 days, making it roughly a 10-month read.
  • McConaughey was cast in Dazed and Confused after meeting casting director Don Phillips at a bar; three scripted lines turned into three weeks of work at $320 a day.
  • His agent Jim Toth responded to him quitting romcoms with 'I don't work for them, I work for you.'
  • Tyler's single father would lean over the stairwell each morning and have her recite that she'd 'grab it by the balls and twist.'
  • As a child Tyler rode her bike home several miles with a broken arm because her father told her no one was coming to get her; he initially insisted it wasn't broken.
  • Tyler cites Bill Burr's infamous Philadelphia 'Weenie Roast' set where he counted down the minutes while the crowd booed and refused to leave the stage.
  • She references Kevin Kelly's '1,000 True Fans' essay (cited as 10,000) about needing only a critical mass of devoted fans, not universal approval.
  • The 'Whassup' Budweiser campaign originated as a self-made two-and-a-half-minute short film by three unknown guys in a New York apartment.
  • Tyler still uses a Concept2 ergometer she bought in 2000, never repaired, and credits liposomal glutathione supplementation with rowing faster in her 40s than in her 20s.
  • A Kickstarter rule of thumb: raising half your money in the first week predicts full funding, which is what happened with Axis.