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Michael Malice: Thanksgiving Pirate Special | Lex Fridman Podcast #402

Michael Malice and Lex Fridman riff on humor, gratitude, art, anti-Semitism, anarchism, and an obsessive shaving-soap habit in a loose Thanksgiving special.

Michael Malice: Thanksgiving Pirate Special | Lex Fridman Podcast #402
The guest

Michael Malice: Anarchist author of 'Dear Reader,' 'The New Right,' 'The Anarchist Handbook,' and 'The White Pill,' and host of the podcast 'YOUR WELCOME.' Known for North Korea expertise, contrarian wit, and a love of unusual art and creatures.

What this episode covers

In this freewheeling Thanksgiving 'pirate special,' Michael Malice and Lex Fridman cover an enormous range of topics with constant joking, including a recurring bit with Lex's parrot. Malice discusses why he finds dark humor and absurdity funny, his favorite comedians (Norm Macdonald, Neil Hamburger, Dave Smith), and what he's thankful for: family, friends, his writing career, art, and social media. They unbox a sculpture called 'Chance Murmur' that an artist made for Lex, leading to a passionate defense of contemporary art and small artisans. The conversation also dives into serious territory: the nature of human goodness versus tribalism, lessons of the Holocaust, anti-Semitism, religion versus internet atheism, soft power versus military power, and Camus. It closes with Malice's hyper-detailed 67-soap wet-shaving system, advice on happiness, and reflections on loyalty, betrayal, depression, and seeing beauty in the world.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

Police State

Dinesh D'Souza

“highly recommend it”
“denes dza just released a movie called police state which was actually really good um highly recommend it I was surprised how much I liked it”— Michael Malice
MediaRecommended

Jesus' Son

Alison Maclean

“one of my favorite movies”
“he was in one of my favorite movies uh Jesus's son it's this Little Indie movie um he did a great turn in that”— Michael Malice
ProductRecommended

Aion Skincare (formerly Grooming Department) shaving soap

Aion Skincare

“the best company in my opinion”
“the best company in my opinion is company called uh they just changed the name grooming department and now it's like ion skincare the soap is just really high quality”— Michael Malice
ProductRecommended

Barrister and Mann shaving soap (Seville)

Barrister and Mann

“another amazing company”
“another amazing company is Barrister and man and if I'm going to tell you to try one it's called cheser”— Michael Malice
ProductRecommended

Chiseled Face Midnight Stag shaving soap

Chiseled Face

“one of my favorite soaps of all time”
“another great company is chiseled face they make something called Midnight stag one of my favorite soaps of all time”— Michael Malice
ProductRecommended

Phoenix Shaving (Phoenix Artisan Accoutrements) shaving soap

Phoenix Shaving

“so they're great”
“another great company is Phoenix shaving um and they have one called Aloha Smackdown smells like Hawaiian Punch so they're great”— Michael Malice
ProductRecommended

Katie's Bubbles shaving soap

Katie's Bubbles

“Katie's bubbles is great”
“oh and Katie's bubbles is great they're vegan um out of New Jersey they've got one called a knee high to a grape”— Michael Malice
ProductRecommended

Proraso shaving soap

Proraso

“which is also a great one”
“this one's pzo that's like the Italian Granda soap which is also a great one and I went down this rabbit hole”— Michael Malice

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il

Michael Malice

“the author of dear reader the new WR the anarchist handbook the white pill and he is the host of the podcast you're welcome”— Lex Fridman
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics

Michael Malice

“the author of dear reader the new WR the anarchist handbook the white pill and he is the host of the podcast you're welcome”— Lex Fridman
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Anarchist Handbook

Michael Malice

“the author of dear reader the new WR the anarchist handbook the white pill and he is the host of the podcast you're welcome”— Lex Fridman
BookBy the guest

The White Pill: A Tale of Good and Evil

Michael Malice

“the author of dear reader the new WR the anarchist handbook the white pill and he is the host of the podcast you're welcome”— Lex Fridman
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Ego & Hubris: The Michael Malice Story

Harvey Pekar

“he wrote a graphic novel about me in 2006 called Eon huus which goes for like $150 on on eBay it's not worth it”— Michael Malice

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

I Think You Should Leave

Tim Robinson

“there's a show called I think you should leave it's a sketch comedy show and he captures these great moments”— Lex Fridman
MediaReferenced

Hoarders

A&E

“every you ever seen the show hoarders so every episode of Hoarders every episode has the same plot line”— Michael Malice
MediaReferenced

American Beauty

Sam Mendes

“I really sometimes feel like the guy in American Beauty looking at the plastic bag dancing in the wind”— Michael Malice
MediaReferenced

Animal Farm

George Orwell

“animal farm is a methodical step-by-step examination of a transformation from one thing to another”— Lex Fridman
BookReferencedISBN verified

1984

George Orwell

“I see on your bookshelf uh I think the world is a lot closer to Brave New World than it is to 1984”— Lex Fridman
BookReferencedISBN verified

Brave New World

Aldous Huxley

“I think the world is a lot closer to Brave New World than it is to 1984”— Lex Fridman
BookReferencedISBN verified

The Gulag Archipelago

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

“I didn't read Gulag archipelago for the white pill I didn't I didn't no”— Michael Malice
BookReferenced

The Hamilton biography (Alexander Hamilton)

Ron Chernow

“Ron chernow is another one who he wrote The Hamilton B graphy”— Michael Malice
MediaReferenced

Under Siege

Andrew Davis

“that Steven Seagal movie where there's like a stripper that comes out of the box is that uh under sieg he's on a boat”— Lex Fridman

Big reveals from this episode

  • Malice once kept a peacock mantis shrimp as a pet and still keeps a pair of its molted punching appendages.
  • Malice announces he is finally producing a 20-year-old screenplay about the band Rubber Rodeo as a graphic novel.
  • An artist named Jake Michael Singer made Lex a sculpture called 'Chance Murmur,' which they unbox on the show.
  • Malice owns an actual ancient Egyptian Ibis mummy, still in its bandages, overlooking his desk.
  • Malice reveals his 'autistic' wet-shaving system: a rotating cycle of 67 shaving soaps with 86 more candidates in queue.
  • Malice owns Margaret Thatcher's bookcases and considers them his personal symbol of having 'made it' as an immigrant.

Worth remembering

  • Malice last visited North Korea in 2012, and notes the border has recently been electrified, stopping nearly all escapes.
  • Malice recounts a Norm Macdonald 'pumpkin head genie' joke he uses as a litmus test for sense of humor.
  • Malice helped give national attention to a Texas independence referendum bill after discussing it with the legislator and on Rogan.
  • Malice argues the Holocaust is singular in history and that comparing other events to it cheapens its lessons.
  • Malice's view: most people are 'fundamentally deranged with a veneer of civility' that breaks down under pressure.
  • Malice describes his 'ambassador program' theory for fighting bigotry: knowing a member of a group reduces prejudice against it.
  • Malice argues the world is closer to 'Brave New World' than '1984,' with soft power and culture mattering more than military force.
  • Malice collects trilobite fossils (about 15), which eBay lists as 'used.'
  • Malice names favorite shaving soap companies including Ion Skincare (formerly Grooming Department), Barrister and Mann, Chiseled Face, and Phoenix Shaving.