Dr. Suzanne Humphries: A former nephrologist (kidney specialist) and professor of medicine who left conventional practice to become a vaccine critic. She co-authored 'Dissolving Illusions,' a book reinterpreting the historical data behind vaccines and disease decline.
What this episode covers
Humphries recounts how influenza vaccines causing kidney failure in her patients in 2008-2009 began unraveling her belief in vaccine orthodoxy, leading her to research polio, smallpox, tetanus and more. She argues that declines in disease death rates were driven mainly by sanitation, clean water, nutrition and labor reform rather than vaccination, and that polio diagnoses were reshaped by changing definitions and pesticides like DDT. The conversation covers the SV40 contaminant in polio vaccines, vaccine manufacturing practices, the role of vitamin C and breast milk in immunity, and the COVID era's censorship and propaganda. Rogan describes his own shift from vaccine believer to skeptic after reading her book and RFK Jr.'s work, and shares his experience not getting the COVID shot. The two repeatedly return to the theme that economic incentives, not science, drive the vaccine program.
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“There's a really good book called The Virus and the Vaccine by Bookchin and Schumacher. It's a incredible book that details everything about those years”— Suzanne Humphries
The guest's own work
Dissolving Illusions
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“one of the great things about your book is um first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions. I know I've talked about on the podcast a bunch of times”— Joe Rogan
Dissolving Illusions
Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk
“it's it's not just something he's dreamed up again provable medical literature in the book dissolving illusions. um the physiology, the pathology is known”— Suzanne Humphries
Dissolving Illusions (10th Anniversary Edition)
Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk
“we added I brought you a a special copy. This is a limited edition. Um, in the 10th anniversary edition, we added 200 pages and we added a chapter called the white plague”— Suzanne Humphries
Dissolving Illusions
Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk
“if I may just direct people to dissolving illusions.com because if you just go to Amazon, you're not going to there's two different versions of the book”— Suzanne Humphries
The Companion Book to Dissolving Illusions
Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk
“this one is called the companion book to dissolving illusions and then but if you you can see all the versions and all we've been translated into eight languages”— Suzanne Humphries
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“It's go watch Gangs of New York. Like that's that's obviously a a drama and you know, it's probably not completely accurate, but I bet it's pretty close”— Suzanne Humphries
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American Spirit cigarettes
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Big reveals from this episode
- Humphries says influenza vaccines in 2008-2009 caused kidney failure and dialysis in her patients, which first shook her faith in vaccines.
- Claims 95-99% of all polio is asymptomatic and that polio virus is a normal human commensal.
- Describes a 1916 Rockefeller lab deliberately engineering the most neuropathological polio strain, blamed for the worst polio epidemic on record.
- Alleges hospitals lose ~$40,000 and doctors up to $250,000/year in incentives if they don't administer vaccines on schedule.
- Details how SV40, a cancer-promoting monkey virus, contaminated polio vaccines and is now spread person-to-person.
- Says she gave COVID to a 95-year-old chronic-lung-disease patient who was out at the hairdresser two weeks later.
- Reveals she quit her job, had no money, and lived in a tent with a pop-up camper while obsessively researching polio for the book.
- Rogan admits he was 'all gung-ho' to get the COVID vaccine before reading her book and RFK Jr.'s book changed his mind.
Worth remembering
- The diagnostic criteria for polio were changed the same year the vaccine was introduced, making case counts drop by definition.
- Live oral polio vaccine (the sugar cube) was stopped because nearly all detected polio cases turned out to be vaccine strains.
- Brett Weinstein's theory that aluminum in shots can trigger food allergies to foods eaten at the time of vaccination.
- Mercury in a dropped vaccine triggers a hazmat response, yet the same vial is injected into a six-month-old.
- Patients enter hospitals deficient in vitamin C and many leave with borderline or full scurvy.
- Rogan ate a whole pizza in Italy with no crash, attributed to non-genetically-modified wheat versus high-gluten American wheat.
- Snake-toxin proteins on the COVID spike bind nicotinic receptors, possibly why smokers fared better against COVID.
- Humphries claims only ~3.5% of extended human lifespan is attributable to medicine; the rest is sanitation, clean water and labor laws.
- Tetanus vaccine is grown using rotten meat; COVID vaccine is made on E. coli cells.
- Claims a new midwife specialty has emerged that only delivers dead babies, which she blames on COVID vaccines.