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Joe Rogan Experience #2148 - Gad Saad

Evolutionary psychologist Gad Saad returns for his 10th JRE to discuss antisemitism, parasitic ideas, suicidal empathy, and AI fears.

Joe Rogan Experience #2148 - Gad Saad
The guest

Gad Saad: Lebanese-Jewish evolutionary psychologist, professor of marketing at Concordia University, and bestselling author of The Parasitic Mind and The Saad Truth About Happiness.

What this episode covers

Gad Saad makes his 10th appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, promoting his new book The Saad Truth About Happiness. He opens with a long discussion of rising antisemitism after October 7th, the Israel-Hamas conflict framed through intent versus outcome, and what he calls 'parasitic' ideas spreading from universities. The conversation broadens into evolutionary psychology topics: memory, phobias, animal intelligence, the blank-slate fallacy, and 'suicidal empathy' driving Western immigration policy. Saad and Rogan riff on the human inability to change anchored opinions, scientists who were vindicated only posthumously, and the dangers of AI. The episode closes on storytelling, fame, friendship, tribalism, and AI as both savior and existential threat.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Real Anthony Fauci

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

“everyone should read that book everyone should understand this same game plan was played out during the AIDS crisis”
“I mean if the real Anthony fouchy the book by Robert F Kennedy Jr is not if it's not accurate he would be sued”— Gad Saad
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge

E.O. Wilson

“that became one of the foundational books in how I did my academic career”
“in the late 90s he wrote a book called consilience Unity of knowledge and that became one of the foundational books”— Gad Saad
BookRecommended

Naturalist

E.O. Wilson

“amazing autobiography”
“I just read his autobiography called naturalist amazing autobiography he was a Harvard enologist”— Gad Saad
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Hell's Angels

Hunter S. Thompson

“Hell's Angels is an amazing book”
“Hell's Angels is an amazing book it's crazy that's a crazy book he was embedded with the Hell's Angels”— Joe Rogan
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Plague

“very interesting”
“I just finished a book called The Plague that looked at the history of civilizations through the lens of different plagues very interesting”— Joe Rogan
MediaRecommended

Wrath of the Khans

Dan Carlin (Hardcore History)

“the most amazing series”
“Dan Carlin on Hardcore History has the most amazing series it's called Wrath of the con I think you have to buy it on his website”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

The Saad Truth About Happiness: 8 Secrets for Leading the Good Life

Gad Saad

“you got a new book dropping up dropping on May 14th on happiness sad truth eight secrets for leading a good life”— Gad Saad
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Parasitic Mind

Gad Saad

“I discussed this in chapter one of my previous book The parasitic mind”— Gad Saad
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Consuming Instinct

Gad Saad

“I have it in the last chapter of uh the consuming Instinct 20 book he's talking about the four stages”— Gad Saad
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Evolutionary Bases of Consumption

Gad Saad

“when my first book came out it was an academic book evolutionary basis of consumption how do you apply evolutionary psychology”— Gad Saad

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Hunter S. Thompson

“you never heard of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas you never heard of this guy maybe that's crazy”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan

“Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Galaga

Namco

“my knowledge of video games stopped and peaked 1981 with Galaga do you know Galaga oh yeah so I was like a champion in Galaga”— Gad Saad
MediaReferenced

Madden

EA Sports

“Shane's big into Madden and he likes the UFC game he also plays some like Command and Conquer style”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Command and Conquer

“he also plays some like Command and Conquer style because he's big into military history”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Call of Duty

Activision

“what does Shane play will they play Call of Duty Shane's big into Madden”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Pong

Atari

“it's sort of like VR if you do VR now it's really cool that is like pong remember pong yeah”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Saad reveals his academic CV is about 47 pages long, listing decades of publications and books.
  • Saad shares that his son told him he'd be dead if he wore a Star of David at a Montreal kids' soccer game.
  • Saad recounts being personally invited by Inter Miami's majority owner to a game and meeting Zidane and Beckham.
  • Saad reveals his biggest cancellation attempt came after a prior JRE joke calling the French-Canadian accent 'an affront to human dignity.'
  • Saad explains mathematician Kurt Godel starved to death from paranoia of being poisoned after his wife/food-taster was hospitalized.
  • Saad pitches an AI application of his 'nomological network of cumulative evidence' method, jokingly asking Elon Musk to call him.

Worth remembering

  • Saad argues intent, not casualty count, should be the moral currency in war, comparing Hamas's stated genocidal charter to the Iron Dome's interception of rockets.
  • Saad cites Pew surveys showing 95-99% of respondents in many Islamic countries expressed antisemitic views in a 2010 study.
  • Saad recounts Ignaz Semmelweis, who urged handwashing, died destitute in an asylum before bacteria were understood.
  • Saad describes memory experiments showing people better recall faces tagged as social cheaters, an evolutionary bias.
  • Saad explains the bowerbird builds elaborate structures and steals shiny objects to attract mates as an artistic mating cue.
  • Rogan notes Genghis Khan's killings reforested land and lowered Earth's carbon footprint, calling it 'green' genocide.
  • Godel's incompleteness theorem and his theory that a rotating universe could permit backward time travel are discussed.
  • They contrast COVID's ~99% survival rate against the Black Death wiping out roughly a third of Europe.
  • John Durant's theory: Jewish purification rituals (part of 613 mitzvot) lowered infection rates, fueling plague-era scapegoating.
  • They discuss DARPA's 'EATR' robot designed to consume biomass for fuel on the battlefield.