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Tim Ferriss · 2021-05-03

Hamilton Morris on Iboga, 5-MeO-DMT, the Power of Ritual, New Frontiers in Psychedelics, and More

Hamilton Morris and Tim Ferriss explore iboga ritual, 5-MeO-DMT toad sustainability, xenon anesthesia, and the ethics of the psychedelic boom.

Hamilton Morris on Iboga, 5-MeO-DMT, the Power of Ritual, New Frontiers in Psychedelics, and More
The guest

Hamilton Morris: Chemist, science journalist, and filmmaker who writes and directs the documentary series Hamilton's Pharmacopeia. He researches the chemistry, anthropology, and culture of psychoactive drugs and has studied them in more than 30 countries.

What this episode covers

In this second conversation with Tim Ferriss, Hamilton Morris recaps influential figures like Sasha Shulgin, Oliver Sacks, and Claudio Naranjo before diving into his firsthand experience of an iboga Bwiti ritual in Central West Africa and its anti-addiction applications. A major thread is ecological sustainability: Morris argues that surging demand for iboga, peyote, toad venom, and ayahuasca is unsustainable and that responsible synthesis is often the more ethical path. He dispels the myth of ancient indigenous use of the Sonoran Desert toad and warns about the destabilizing power of 5-MeO-DMT. The episode closes with his investigation of xenon gas clinics, including a harrowing horror story, and reflections on ritual, the psychedelic hype cycle, and recommended reading.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Nature of Drugs

Alexander Shulgin

“it is one of the most amazing because this man is no matter how you define it the greatest expert that has ever lived; this book is a very exciting text it actually gave me chills as i was reading it because it's so good”
“i think you can pre-order it on amazon alexander shulkin's family has a press called transform press it's called the nature of drugs”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

PiHKAL: A Chemical Love Story

Alexander Shulgin

“pee call and t call are the two that i would say read those first”
“well pee call and t call are the two that i would say read those first and thankfully they're long enough”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

TiHKAL: The Continuation

Alexander Shulgin

“pee call and t call are the two that i would say read those first”
“well pee call and t call are the two that i would say read those first and thankfully they're long enough”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Chimpanzee Culture Wars (Langlitz primatology book)

Nicolas Langlitz

“it's really good”
“it's um it's a meta primatology book that's about not about primatology but about primatologists it's like the primatology of primatologists it's really good”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat

Oliver Sacks

“he's an amazing writer i think he's one of the greatest science writers that has ever lived; these are really beautifully written books”
“uncle tungsten the man who mistook his wife for a hat these are really beautifully written books”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Uncle Tungsten

Oliver Sacks

“he's an amazing writer i think he's one of the greatest science writers that has ever lived; these are really beautifully written books”
“uncle tungsten the man who mistook his wife for a hat these are really beautifully written books”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Hallucinations

Oliver Sacks

“his book on hallucinations is also very good”
“his book on hallucinations is also very good”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Healing Journey

Claudio Naranjo

“i've only read the healing journey i really enjoyed that book”
“he wrote some enormous number of books and i've only read the healing journey i really enjoyed that book me too”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Sacred Knowledge: Psychedelics and Religious Experiences

William Richards

“excellent book it's a really really good book”
“there's another book written by william richards called sacred knowledge excellent book it's a really really good book”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Bwiti: An Ethnography of the Religious Imagination in Africa

James W. Fernandez

“that's a great text that's pretty much all that's out there in english”
“a very rare book that you can find pdfs of online by uchicago anthropologists whose last name is fernandez it's called uh bouiti that's the name of the book”— Hamilton Morris
BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Wizard of the Four Winds

Douglas Sharon

“a beautiful book called the wizard of the four winds that goes into peruvian cactus shamanism that i recommend”
“douglas sharon wrote a beautiful book called the wizard of the four winds that goes into peruvian cactus shamanism that i recommend”— Hamilton Morris

The guest's own work

MediaBy the guest

Hamilton's Pharmacopeia

Hamilton Morris

“he is the writer and director of one of my favorite documentary series that you can find anywhere hamilton's pharmacopoeia”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

The Psychedelic Toad of the Sonoran Desert (pamphlet)

Ken Nelson (Hamilton Morris, ed.)

“with the exception of this book that i am republishing right now it's the original book written by the man who discovered that the venom could be smoked ken nelson”— Hamilton Morris

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferencedISBN verified

Why We Sleep

Matthew Walker

“dr matthew walker a professor of neuroscience and psychology at uc berkeley and also author of why we sleep the mega hit is ora's chief science advisor”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

The Paleo Solution

Robb Wolf

“rob wolf who is a former research biochemist and two-time new york times best-selling author of the paleo solution and wired to eat”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

Wired to Eat

Robb Wolf

“rob wolf who is a former research biochemist and two-time new york times best-selling author of the paleo solution and wired to eat”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

Neuropsychedelia

Nicolas Langlitz

“for those who would like to learn more about psychedelics neuropsychedelio uh by nicholas langlets is that correct that's right”— Tim Ferriss
BookReferencedISBN verified

And How Are You, Dr. Sacks? (Weschler biography of Oliver Sacks)

Lawrence Weschler

“there's a biography written by lawrence wesler that came out recently that i i know lawrence wesler but i haven't had the opportunity to read it”— Hamilton Morris
BookReferencedISBN verified

Marihuana Reconsidered

Lester Grinspoon

“carl sagan would be another example you know he wrote a portion of lester grinspoon's marijuana reconsidered and talked about his revelatory experiences with cannabis”— Hamilton Morris
BookReferencedISBN verified

Evolution in the Genus Bufo

“there's a utexus monograph called evolution in the genus bufo but that's chemical analysis i mean it's great if you're a scientist”— Hamilton Morris
ProductReferenced

Florida Water (Agua de Florida)

Murray & Lanman

“you're going to find things like aguade florida florida water which we both had experiences with which was originally manufactured in the united states and is a very strong cologne”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

Agua de Kananga (Cananga Water)

“you find it all over the place agua de cananga water also at least one of the most common versions of it initially manufactured in the united states”— Tim Ferriss

Big reveals from this episode

  • A newly discovered set of 1987 lecture recordings by Sasha Shulgin is being published as a three-volume set called 'The Nature of Drugs' through Transform Press.
  • Ibogaine's anti-addictive effect was not an African tradition but was discovered in the 1960s by a New York heroin addict named Howard Lotsof, who realized he had no withdrawals or desire for heroin after taking it.
  • The Bwiti iboga ceremony includes a spiritual army wearing military outfits with iboga guns and knives to guard participants from bad spirits, and a ritual of burying people alive overnight to contemplate mortality.
  • 5-MeO-DMT can be synthesized from melatonin, with 100 grams of melatonin yielding roughly 100 grams of 5-MeO-DMT, equivalent to milking thousands of toads.
  • There is essentially no evidence of historical indigenous use of the Sonoran Desert toad; the first human to smoke its venom was independent researcher Ken Nelson in the 1980s.
  • At a xenon clinic, a 'breatharian' patient who had not fasted vomited while unconscious under a quadruple-strapped mask, and the clinic proprietor (who later died) was found using xenon himself instead of supervising a sedated producer.
  • Morris says the iboga ceremony was the moment he realized ritual could be as powerful as the substance itself and could dramatically magnify therapeutic effects.

Worth remembering

  • The federal Analog Act allows prosecutors to charge a substance that is an arbitrarily-defined analog of a Schedule I drug as if it were that drug.
  • Shulgin was responsible for the discovery of an estimated 200 novel psychedelic compounds and authored PIHKAL and TIHKAL.
  • Shulgin observed that every drug has 'no side effects for the first five years,' before its limitations become apparent.
  • Ibogaine binds to hERG potassium channels that regulate heart rhythm and has a mild topical anesthetic effect, so high doses can cause fatal arrhythmias.
  • An iboga tree must be about five years old before its roots can be harvested, and harvesters in Gabon typically kill the entire tree.
  • 5-MeO-DMT is more pharmacologically distant from DMT than psilocybin is; it dissociates users entirely, resembles a near-death experience, and can cause violent physical reactions.
  • Xenon makes up only about 0.0000087 percent of Earth's atmosphere, requiring distillation of millions of liters of air, so a single breath costs roughly sixty dollars.
  • Anesthesiologists consider xenon nearly the perfect anesthetic: not metabolized, recyclable indefinitely, extremely potent, fast onset and recovery, and no known toxicity.
  • Xenon was reportedly used for endurance enhancement by athletes around the Sochi Olympics, and a company called Nobilis is developing a xenon inhaler for PTSD.
  • Florida Water and Agua de Cananga, cologne-like ingredients used in remote Amazonian ayahuasca ceremonies, were originally manufactured in the United States, showing such traditions have long incorporated outside elements.