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Joe Rogan · 2025-12-11

Joe Rogan Experience #2425 - Ethan Hawke

Ethan Hawke and Joe Rogan trade craft secrets on acting, surviving fame, raising kids, and chasing the feeling of disappearing into a role.

Joe Rogan Experience #2425 - Ethan Hawke
The guest

Ethan Hawke: Four-time Oscar-nominated actor, director, and writer known for Dead Poets Society, Training Day, and the Before trilogy. He also directs documentaries and is making a graphic novel, and currently stars in the FX series The Lowdown.

What this episode covers

Ethan Hawke walks Joe Rogan through his improbable path into acting, from a flop child-star debut at 14 to the slow-burn success of Dead Poets Society and a deliberate return to college and theater that kept him grounded. The bulk of the conversation is a deep dive into the craft of acting as a form of shared hypnosis, the importance of presence over self-consciousness, and what separates great performers like Denzel Washington, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Daniel Day-Lewis. They explore how fame is a slow poison best absorbed in small doses, the value of mentors and a beginner's mind, and how negativity, critics, and social media corrode confidence. The talk repeatedly circles back to nerves as fuel, citing Mike Tyson and fighters, and ends on the idea that the real reward is the love of the work itself, not money or prestige.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommendedISBN verified

The Dude and the Zen Master

Jeff Bridges and Bernie Glassman

“It's a great book”
“Yeah, the dude in the Zen master. It's a great book by the way.”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

MediaBy the guest

Chelsea Walls

Ethan Hawke (director)

“So movie called Chelsea Walls. I don't necessarily recommend you watch it. Uh you can if you want to. I learned a lot making it.”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

Blue Moon

Ethan Hawke (actor)

“this last movie I did Blue Moon really really challenging part I I had so much confidence when we were talking about making the movie”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

The Lowdown

Sterlin Harjo / FX

“I'm doing this show right now. the lowdown with FX, right? It's the first time I've ever done a a television show”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

Leave the World Behind

Sam Esmail

“Leave the world behind. Thank you. That's embarrassing for me. I'm supposed to know.”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

Training Day

Antoine Fuqua

“Denzel Washington when you're doing training day like so much apparently Jamie was saying of the dialogue that you guys had was completely improvised by Denzel”— Joe Rogan
MediaBy the guest

Dead Poets Society

Peter Weir

“I heard about these auditions for a movie called Dead Poet Society... the success of Dead Poet Society sent me, you know, was like a trajectory”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

White Fang

Walt Disney Pictures

“I did one of my earlier movies with a wolf, right?... this movie called White Fang, right? Little Disney kids movie”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

The Magnificent Seven

Antoine Fuqua

“I did this remake of Magnificent 7, right? And when you have a big cast and everybody's in period costume”— Ethan Hawke
MediaBy the guest

Explorers

Joe Dante

“if I could have decided my life explorers would have been a huge hit. It would have been ET big.”— Ethan Hawke

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferencedISBN verified

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Robert M. Pirsig

“I carried that in the art of motorcycle maintenance. That's the same idea.”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

The Godfather

Francis Ford Coppola

“When you watch The Godfather, you're not thinking about Alpuccino or James Khan or you think about Michael and Sunny and Tom”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Pretty Woman

Garry Marshall

“I remember the weekend Pretty Woman came out two days before. No one had ever heard of Julie Roberts.”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Taxi Driver

Martin Scorsese

“how old was she in Taxi Driver? 12, 14. Crazy.”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Witness

Peter Weir

“we had Peter Weir who had just directed Witness, one of my favorite movies of all time at that point”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

The Last Picture Show

Peter Bogdanovich

“Jeff Bridges had starred in the last picture show which was one of my favorite movies and he was amazing in it”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

True Grit

Coen Brothers

“I was so happy he won the Academy Award for True Grid, I guess it was. And and I was like, damn”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Apocalypto

Mel Gibson

“you remember that uh Jaguar Paw in Apocalyptto when he has that moment he's running through the woods and he's so afraid”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Rocky IV

Sylvester Stallone

“that's why we all liked in Rocky when he like goes out into the barn. Rocky four. That's the one I'm thinking of.”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

The Celebration

Thomas Vinterberg

“this movie, The Celebrations, Danish film, amazing movie. Thomas Vintterberg directed it. And it just kind of changed the rules.”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Malcolm X

Spike Lee

“I think you know Malcolm X and Raging Bull are two towering maybe Nicholson one flew the Cuckoo's Nest like Liv is like the three great performances”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Raging Bull

Martin Scorsese

“Malcolm X and Raging Bull are two towering maybe Nicholson one flew the Cuckoo's Nest like Liv is like the three great performances of of my lifetime”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Milos Forman

“maybe Nicholson one flew the Cuckoo's Nest like Liv is like the three great performances of of my lifetime”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

A Man for All Seasons

Fred Zinnemann

“he was in this great movie when I was a kid, Man for All seasons, and he was in Redford's quiz show”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Quiz Show

Robert Redford

“he was in this great movie when I was a kid, Man for All seasons, and he was in Redford's quiz show”— Ethan Hawke
MediaReferenced

Gremlins

Joe Dante

“It was a $30 million movie directed by the guy who just done Gremlins, right, Joe Dante.”— Ethan Hawke

Big reveals from this episode

  • Hawke reveals his first movie at 14 (Explorers) was a flop and he gave up on acting and went back to high school.
  • His mother joined the Peace Corps in her mid-40s and spent 25 years in Romania fighting discrimination against Roma children.
  • Kris Kristofferson rejected Hawke's elaborate directing idea on his first film, telling him an alcoholic just opens the bottle.
  • A real wolf bit Hawke and drew blood while filming White Fang, which he calls the best acting teacher he ever had.
  • Hawke says he puts no restrictions on his kids' social media, choosing open discussion over bans.
  • Rogan recounts confronting a critic at an NBC party, telling him critics lash out because they have nothing to contribute.
  • Rogan admits that when he tricked himself into not being nervous before fights, he performed worse.
  • Hawke confirms Denzel's iconic 'King Kong ain't got nothing on me' line in Training Day was improvised after months of prep.

Worth remembering

  • Hawke's first paid role was a one-line knight in George Bernard Shaw's St. Joan in New Jersey at age 12.
  • River Phoenix was Hawke's first-ever scene partner, both aged 14 on Explorers.
  • Hawke compares early childhood fame to curing concrete: get the mix wrong and it's ruined forever.
  • Kristofferson told the story of writing Me and Bobby McGee and meeting Janis Joplin in the same building's elevator.
  • The legend that Kristofferson landed a helicopter in Johnny Cash's yard to deliver Sunday Morning Coming Down.
  • Hawke notes a gym makes the world end on every news screen while a run outside leaves him feeling like himself.
  • Mike Tyson knew Genghis Khan's real name was Temujin and his detailed history.
  • Cus D'Amato, Tyson's mentor, was a hypnotist who started hypnotizing Tyson at age 13 and said fear is like fire.
  • Hawke cites Miyamoto Musashi: once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.
  • Hawke names Malcolm X, Raging Bull, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as the three great performances of his lifetime.