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Tim Ferriss · 2022-04-22

A.J. Jacobs — How to Be Less Furious and More Curious | The Tim Ferriss Show

Author A.J. Jacobs explains how adopting a puzzle mindset, less furious, more curious, improves thinking, conflict resolution, and everyday life.

A.J. Jacobs — How to Be Less Furious and More Curious | The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

A.J. Jacobs: Best-selling author, journalist, and self-described human guinea pig known for immersive books like The Year of Living Biblically and Thanks a Thousand. His latest book is The Puzzler, a deep dive into puzzles and the puzzle mindset.

What this episode covers

A.J. Jacobs joins Tim Ferriss to discuss his book The Puzzler and what two years of immersing himself in crosswords, jigsaws, chess puzzles, codes, and mazes taught him about thinking. The central theme is the puzzle mindset: approaching problems, and even political opponents, with curiosity and flexible, loosely-held beliefs rather than anger. They work through several puzzle-solving strategies (meta-strategy, reframing, reversing your thinking, taking breaks) and explore the dark side of puzzles, including apophenia and conspiracy thinking. Jacobs recounts colorful subcultures: the world jigsaw championship, the unsolved Kryptos sculpture at the CIA, Japanese puzzle boxes, and the hardest corn maze in the world. The conversation closes on the idea that life itself is a series of games and puzzles worth playing well.

Recommended on this episode

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Stave Puzzles (hand-carved wooden puzzles)

Stave Puzzles

“so if you have enough money check it out”
“i go to this crazy company in vermont that makes hand carved wooden puzzles that are insanely expensive like go they go up to ten thousand dollars”— A.J. Jacobs
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Japanese puzzle boxes

“i would recommend that for just for pure wonder and awe”
“japanese puzzle boxes so i would recommend that for just for pure wonder and awe and these are i actually went to japan where they make them”— A.J. Jacobs

The guest's own work

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The Year of Living Biblically

A.J. Jacobs

“he has written four narratives bestsellers including one of my favorites the year of living biblically for which he followed all of the rules of the bible”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Thanks a Thousand

A.J. Jacobs

“thanks a thousand for which he went around the world and thanked every person who had even the smallest role in making his morning cup of coffee possible”— Tim Ferriss
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The 4-Hour Workweek

Tim Ferriss

“wrote the article my outsourced life which was featured in the four hour work week what a title for our work week”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

The Puzzler

A.J. Jacobs

“the website for the new book is thepuzzlerbook.com”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guest

Drooling on Health (Tim Ferriss four-hour body)

Tim Ferriss

“i have to structure like my book on health which was sort of the much less selling for our body version and i structured it by body parts”— A.J. Jacobs

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Around the World in 80 Days

Jules Verne

“when the book around the world in 80 days she actually did it she's like all right i'm gonna do it”— A.J. Jacobs
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Giftology

John Ruhlin

“john rulin who is uh he's his expertise is mythology he wrote giftology it's all about giving gifts and how they can make your life better”— A.J. Jacobs
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Visions of Japan: Kawase Hasui's Masterpieces

Kawase Hasui

“my latest book i got is this which makes me think of a lot about japan anyway the visions of japan by kawasei hassui's masterpieces”— A.J. Jacobs
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Ravensburger puzzles

Ravensburger

“the only sponsor was the puzzle company itself ravensburger sadly so i didn't make a huge amount of money on it”— A.J. Jacobs
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Wordle

The New York Times

“i do the spelling bee in the new york times wordle which was such a huge phenomenon a friend of mine described it as the ted lasso of puzzles”— A.J. Jacobs
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The New York Times Spelling Bee

The New York Times

“i do the spelling bee in the new york times wordle which was such a huge phenomenon”— A.J. Jacobs
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The New York Times Crossword Puzzle

The New York Times

“and of course the new york times crossword puzzle so i will continue to do that”— A.J. Jacobs
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Parade magazine

Parade

“she wrote a column in parade magazine no comment on why the smartest woman was writing a braid magazine column”— A.J. Jacobs

Big reveals from this episode

  • A child psychologist's parenting advice, 'don't get furious, get curious', became Jacobs's life philosophy: anger gives tunnel vision while curiosity is how you actually solve problems, including conflicts with people on the opposite political side.
  • The Gauss story illustrates meta-strategy: instead of adding 1 through 100 sequentially, pair the numbers (1+100, 2+99...) to get 50 pairs of 101, equaling 5,050, stepping back to find a better approach rather than doing busy work.
  • Kryptos, a sculpture commissioned 32 years ago at CIA headquarters, contains a coded message expected to be solved in a week; it remains only partly cracked, with part hinting at something buried on the grounds.
  • The classic dirt-room riddle teaches reversing your thinking: the digging man isn't tunneling out, he's building a mound of dirt to climb to the skylight, a reframing Jacobs applies to daily problems.
  • The Monty Hall problem shows why you shouldn't trust your gut: switching doors gives a 2-out-of-3 chance of winning because the host knowingly reveals a goat, not a random door.
  • Apophenia, seeing signal in noise (like Jesus's face in french toast), is the dark side of puzzling; Jacobs calls QAnon 'basically a puzzle gone wrong,' where people refuse to abandon a solution despite counter-evidence.
  • On the meaning of life, Jacobs concludes that part of the meaning of life is the search for it, because curiosity is a key to a joyous life, resolving conflicts, and success in business and family.

Worth remembering

  • Jacobs impulsively filled out a form and was instantly made captain of Team USA for the World Jigsaw Puzzle Championship in Spain, where his family finished second-to-last; a Russian team of four women from Siberia finished four puzzles in just over four hours.
  • The Kryptos sculptor monetized constant emails by charging $50 to confirm yes/no whether a guess is correct, earning hundreds of dollars a day.
  • A famous 1900s puzzler sold millions of the '15 puzzle' and offered a $10,000 prize for solving an arrangement that was mathematically impossible to solve.
  • The phrase 'think outside the box' originates from the nine-dots puzzle, where the only solution requires drawing lines extending beyond the square formed by the dots.
  • Elevator brakes work counterintuitively: they are clamped by default and only released by electric current, so during a blackout they automatically lock, preventing the car from plummeting.
  • Jacobs commissioned Jacob's Ladder, billed as the hardest puzzle ever, requiring 1.2 decillion peg turns, so many the universe would run out of energy before completion; only one exists, designed by Oscar van Deventer.
  • A 1942 crossword in the Telegraph was a covert recruitment tool: solvers who finished in 12 minutes were funneled to the British secret service to help crack the Nazi Enigma code.
  • Actor Hugh Jackman is a huge jigsaw puzzle fan and spent about 10-15 minutes discussing jigsaws on his own podcast appearance with Jacobs.
  • A Japanese puzzle maker called the godfather of sudoku summarized puzzles (and life) with three symbols: the question mark (bafflement), the forward arrow (the struggle), and the exclamation point (revelation), urging people to 'embrace the arrow.'
  • The hardest corn maze in the world, in Vermont, is so difficult it has emergency exits; its sadistic creator stands on a platform like a god giving hints, and notes teenage boys are especially prone to inflexible thinking and failing.