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Joe Rogan · 2025-01-28

Joe Rogan Experience #2263 - Gad Saad

Evolutionary psychologist Gad Saad and Joe Rogan roam from decision science and carnivore diets to AI, woke ideology, and Elon Musk.

Joe Rogan Experience #2263 - Gad Saad
The guest

Gad Saad: Evolutionary behavioral scientist and longtime professor (31 years) known for applying evolutionary theory to consumer behavior and culture. Author of The Parasitic Mind and an outspoken critic of woke ideology.

What this episode covers

Rogan and Saad open on raising kids in the internet age before diving into Saad's academic work on decision-making, cognitive dissonance, and the corruption of modern science by ego and incentives. They explore evolutionary medicine, the carnivore diet, and consumer psychology of status and branding. A long middle stretch covers AI, quantum computing, self-driving Teslas, and brain imaging. The back half is a wide-ranging cultural critique of woke ideology, trans issues in sports, immigration, and the value of Elon Musk buying Twitter, closing on why both men avoid online negativity.

The guest's own work

BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Parasitic Mind

Gad Saad

“Leon festinger... he has an amazing quote which I use in one of my earlier books uh in the parasitic mind”— Gad Saad
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Suicidal Empathy

Gad Saad

“actually in my forthcoming book that I'm trying to wrap up now suicidal empathy I have a section where I talk about these kinds of immigration arguments”— Gad Saad

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge

E.O. Wilson

“EO Wilson who's a... Harvard anthologist... he wrote a book called consilience colon Unity of knowledge”— Gad Saad
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The Beginning of Infinity

David Deutsch

“his name is David Deutch he's a physicist by uh training he wrote two uh best-selling books I think one of them is called the edge of infinity”— Gad Saad
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Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens

John Mack

“I've read John Mack's book John Mack was a... psychiatrist at Harvard... he wrote a book called abduction that was all about hypnotic regression therapy”— Joe Rogan
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Alone with the Devil

Ronald Markman

“I was reading a book titled alone with the devil... a book that was written by a forensic psychiatrist out of LA County system”— Gad Saad
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Project Mars: A Technical Tale

Wernher von Braun

“this is in a warneron bron book so Elon is the elected leader of the Martian government... Elon in Project Mars a technical tale is the name of the Martian leader”— Joe Rogan
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Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey

Ingersoll Lockwood

“in 1889 novel called Baron Trump's marvelous underground Journey was written by ingel Saul Lockwood”— Joe Rogan
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The Last President

Ingersoll Lockwood

“he would go on to write another book called the last president in 1900 mystery which involves a trump family Nicola Tesla time travel and dark Forces”— Joe Rogan
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Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Steven Spielberg

“he inspired the French scientist in the Steven Spielberg movie Clos Encounters of the Third Kind”— Joe Rogan
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Fire in the Sky

Paramount Pictures

“this guy right here oh they made a movie out of it called Fire in the Sky”— Joe Rogan
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The Manhattan Alien Abduction

Netflix

“I just started watching I think three days ago a Netflix series... it's supposedly a New York case in the late 1980s”— Gad Saad
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Interrogation Raw

A&E

“I don't know if you know the show it's called interrogation raw where... they bring in the guy and they're actually filming interrogation that's happening”— Gad Saad
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Curb Your Enthusiasm

Larry David

“I saw him uh on Curb Your Enthusiasm... he's like a Korean bookie to Larry David or something”— Gad Saad
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Red Dawn

MGM

“all the movies like Red Dawn you know Russia invades America”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Saad reveals a 1998 study he ran showing depression had no effect on decision-making got rejected purely for its 'null effects', exposing publication bias in science.
  • Saad says he privately bet a colleague's research was '80% bullshit' before that person was caught fabricating data.
  • A cancer doctor reportedly diagnosed healthy people with cancer, justifying it with 'you have to eat what you kill in this business.'
  • Saad claims he predicted the COVID overreaction and woke movement years early, 'that is literally my autobiography.'
  • Saad calls his conversation with quantum-computing pioneer David Deutsch arguably the best he's ever had.
  • Saad recounts a near-impossible serendipity: meeting an LA public defender in rural Quebec in 1989, then meeting that man's son in Texas in 2013.
  • Saad, who is Jewish and knows Musk, publicly debunked the claim that Musk made a Nazi salute, calling it an 'attack vector.'
  • Rogan argues nothing Musk ever does will matter as much as buying Twitter, which prevented a 'cult-like takeover of all public discourse.'

Worth remembering

  • Saad's research found people don't sample all available information before deciding, they stop once choices are 'sufficiently differentiated.'
  • A 1984 study found surgery patients in rooms with a window had measurably better recovery outcomes than those without.
  • The 'mismatch hypothesis' holds that the top killers in health stem from traits that were adaptive for hunter-gatherers but harmful today.
  • Studies show people eat more M&Ms or pasta when offered multiple colors or shapes, even though taste is identical.
  • Saad uses 'costly signaling' to explain why billionaires buy $180M art a monkey could make, only they can afford to waste that much.
  • A quantum computer reportedly solved in minutes a calculation that would outlast the heat death of the universe on classical hardware.
  • In a 1985 AI class, Saad learned chess has more decision-tree nodes (~10^100) than there are atoms in the universe (~10^80).
  • Eyewitness testimony has been shown to be unbelievably unreliable, per pioneering researcher Elizabeth Loftus.
  • A 1953 Wernher von Braun novel names the leader of Mars 'Elon', and Musk's father reportedly named him after the book's character.
  • Saad cites a brain-imaging study where researchers identified which sentence a subject thought of from activation patterns alone.