The guest
Gavin de Becker: Security and threat-assessment expert, criminologist, and author best known for the bestseller The Gift of Fear. He runs a major private protection firm and has written a new book, Forbidden Facts.
What this episode covers
Over nearly two and a half hours, Gavin de Becker frames the episode around a single plea: be skeptical of centralized power. He recounts declassified covert operations, then pivots to a long, detailed critique of pharmaceutical companies, vaccine ingredients, and the bodies that 'debunk' safety concerns. He argues these institutions use delay, definition games, and paid private committees to avoid accountability, citing leaked transcripts in his book. Rogan adds his own COVID-era experiences with skepticism and media backlash. The conversation closes on population-control policy, the Zelensky/Ukraine narrative, the nature of war and empire, and cautious optimism that more people are waking up.
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House of Numbers
Brent Leung
“the great documentary”
“the great documentary that's on YouTube is called House of Numbers about this. It keeps the numbers going.”— Gavin de Becker
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An Inconvenient Study
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“see that as quick as you can”
“there's a a documentary right now called, by the way, an inconvenient study. Uh see that as quick as you can. It's free on YouTube”— Gavin de Becker
The guest's own work
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Forbidden Facts
Gavin de Becker
“this uh book, which Can I be a [ __ ] and hold it up again? Forbidden Facts. That's the book.”— Gavin de Becker
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Cause Unknown
Edward Dowd
“I've got 550 just in that book, Cause Unknown. And that's just looking... Ed Dow did, he did the statistical work on it.”— Gavin de Becker
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The Real Anthony Fauci
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“there's a great line in uh in the real Anthony Fouchy, a book I know you read where Bobby says...”— Gavin de Becker
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Turtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth
Anonymous
“They did the same thing with Turtles all the way down... as you learned from turtles all the way down, never a a viable study on these.”— Gavin de Becker
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Hitler's Professors
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“There's a book called Hitler's Professors, and it is about a a process that Hitler administration used.”— Gavin de Becker
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1984
George Orwell
“when COVID happened the the book 1984 be in 2021 it was the 17th bestselling book in the world.”— Gavin de Becker
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Servant of the People
Volodymyr Zelensky
“he does a TV show, a planned TV show called Servant of the People. And the main character in the show does a YouTube video that calls out oligarchs”— Gavin de Becker
Big reveals from this episode
- De Becker details Operation Gladio, alleging the CIA funded terrorist bombings against allies in postwar Europe, killing civilians.
- Says his own 31-year-old son tested HIV-positive, refused medication after watching House of Numbers, and is healthy living in Fiji.
- Argues the Institute of Medicine used the same 'more studies needed' stalling for 22 years on Agent Orange that it used to dismiss vaccine-autism links.
- Reads out a graphic list of alleged childhood-vaccine ingredients including potassium chloride (used in lethal injections) and shark-liver squalene.
- Lays out the 1974 Kissinger Report, claiming US policy targeted population reduction in 12 specific foreign countries.
- Calls Zelensky 'a construct,' arguing his rise via the TV show Servant of the People was engineered by an oligarch and US intelligence.
- Claims that of the first 54 young, fit, vaccinated job applicants his company cardiac-tested, 17 had to be sent to cardiologists.
- Rattles off billions in criminal fines paid by Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Merck, GSK and Eli Lilly as evidence pharma are repeat offenders.
Worth remembering
- De Becker says the Smith-Mundt change made domestic propaganda on US citizens legal, blurring truth for everyone.
- Cites CDC figures that ~99% of polio infections are asymptomatic and that most recent paralytic cases are vaccine-derived.
- Suggests widespread DDT and mercury exposure, not a virus alone, may explain historical paralysis and early autism cases.
- Praises the century-old BCG tuberculosis vaccine as a genuinely good product not used in the US.
- Claims the only Amish with autism were adopted-and-vaccinated children, citing dramatically lower rates.
- Recounts the Rolling Stone 'ivermectin overdose ER' story being false; no one overdosed on ivermectin.
- Alleges Merck whistleblowers said rabbit blood was added to samples to help the MMR vaccine pass a test.
- States roughly six million Americans died of ordinary causes during COVID partly because families couldn't be at hospitals.
- Says over 90% of cable-news ad sponsorship is pharma, with a large share from Pfizer alone.
- Notes the COVID vaccine's admitted temporary sperm-count reduction echoes a fertility strategy in the Kissinger Report.
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