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Joe Rogan · 2024-06-27

Joe Rogan Experience #2037 - Alex Berenson

Alex Berenson argues mRNA COVID vaccines failed and the government censored him, in a sprawling Rogan talk on addiction, power, and free speech.

Joe Rogan Experience #2037 - Alex Berenson
The guest

Alex Berenson: Former New York Times investigative business reporter, author of 'Tell Your Children,' and Substack writer known for critical reporting on COVID-19 vaccines and pandemic policy; suing the government and Pfizer over his Twitter ban.

What this episode covers

Joe Rogan and Alex Berenson open on addiction, gambling, and how legalizing and normalizing vices opens them to people who otherwise wouldn't partake. The bulk of the conversation is Berenson relitigating the pandemic: he argues mRNA vaccines stopped working quickly, may provoke variants, carry real myocarditis risk for young people, and have effectively failed, yet the US public health establishment keeps pushing boosters. He details his lawsuits against the government, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, and ex-FDA-commissioner-turned-Pfizer-board-member Scott Gottlieb over censorship that got him banned from Twitter. The pair range widely into pharma corruption, free speech and the Missouri v. Biden case, UFOs, the 2024 election and Trump, climate-change messaging, and how social media tribalism broke American culture and media.

Recommended on this episode

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Dissolving Illusions

Suzanne Humphries

“it's a fantastic book”
“have you read dissolving Illusions I have not it's a fantastic book about just that”— Joe Rogan
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Oppenheimer

Christopher Nolan

“it's pretty great okay it's amazing”
“you see Oppenheimer the movie I haven't seen it yet so it's pretty great okay it's amazing”— Joe Rogan
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Chimp Empire

Netflix

“amazing Show on Netflix”
“if you ever watch that chimp Nation show amazing Show on Netflix these scientists were embedded in this chimpanzee group for 30 years”— Joe Rogan
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Superbad

“it's a brilliant movie it's so funny”
“super bad you could never do that movie today that's true it's a brilliant movie it's so funny that movie”— Joe Rogan
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Tropic Thunder

“brilliant movie you can still watch it”
“so many landmines oh my God yes yeah but meanwhile brilliant movie you can still watch it”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

Tell Your Children

Alex Berenson

“you came on for your book that I've referenced many times and it's called tell your children and I think it's important”— Joe Rogan

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Painkiller

Peter Berg

“Peter who did that film for Netflix this the series it's out now painkiller”— Joe Rogan
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Moment of Contact

“there's a very interesting documentary about it uh called moment of contact and there was a crash”— Joe Rogan
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Step Brothers

“you try to make Step Brothers today you would get canell isn't that crazy”— Joe Rogan
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An Inconvenient Truth

Al Gore

“if you go back to An Inconvenient Truth would that be considered Mal information”— Joe Rogan
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Hacking Democracy

“a documentary that HBO had on in like the early 90s called hacking democracy do you remember that”— Joe Rogan
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Yellowstone

“it's like John Dutton and Yellowstone Z he has to become governor you know it's like it's really like”— Joe Rogan
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OxyContin

Purdue Pharma

“he tried an oxycotton once recreationally and he was like oh my God this is amazing I can never do this again”— Joe Rogan
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Moderna COVID-19 vaccine

Moderna

“they made fizer made 75 billion in 2021 and 2022 madna made close to 40”— Alex Berenson
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iPhone

Apple

“I took the vaccine did you take the vaccine I got the new iPhone do you got the new iPhone”— Alex Berenson
ProductReferenced

Adderall

“with like hormone replacement and Aderall and whatever else they have to take these folks can keep going deep into their 80s”— Joe Rogan
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Ferrari

“if you're that opthalmologist in Florida do you need another Ferrari but maybe you don't think that way”— Alex Berenson

Big reveals from this episode

  • Berenson reveals he is suing the federal government, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, and board member Scott Gottlieb in one lawsuit over his Twitter ban.
  • He claims Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner now on Pfizer's board, called a senior Twitter lobbyist and within hours Berenson got his fifth strike and was banned.
  • He argues the vaccine workplace mandates were political theater after the Afghanistan collapse, designed to target healthy workers, not the at-risk elderly.
  • Claims roughly 2 billion of 5 billion vaccine doses were thrown away unused, a ~$40 billion gift to the drug companies.
  • His tweet citing the CDC's own math went viral: a million teen doses to maybe save one life produces 100,000-200,000 severe side effects.
  • Says Israel's early data showed protection waned fast and that mass-vaccinating during a pandemic helped drive the Delta variant.
  • Frames Missouri v. Biden, headed to the Supreme Court, as central to his own First Amendment case against the Biden administration.

Worth remembering

  • Toxoplasmosis, a cat-gut parasite, rewires rats to be sexually attracted to cat urine and lose fear of cats so they get eaten.
  • At one point roughly 50% of people in France were infected with toxoplasmosis, which is linked to reckless behavior and crash victims.
  • Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla's pay nearly doubled from about $18.8 million to about $33 million between 2020 and 2022.
  • Scott Gottlieb joined Pfizer's board exactly three months after leaving the FDA, reportedly paid about $400,000 a year.
  • CO2 is only about 0.04% of the atmosphere; below roughly 0.02% plant life starts dying.
  • In the 19th-century Opium Wars, the US and Britain forced opium on China, devastating that society.
  • UFO sightings reportedly spiked after the 1945-1947 nuclear detonations and tests, the origin of much modern UFO folklore.
  • Netflix's Chimp Empire researchers embedded with a chimp group for 30 years; the chimps act natural as long as humans stay 20 yards away.
  • Dr. Leana Wen said on CNN that real COVID death estimates may be around 30% of what was reported.
  • Berenson argues the great longevity gains of the last 200 years came mostly from sanitation and clean water, not medicine.