The guest
Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin: British comedians and hosts of the Trigonometry podcast; Kisin is a Russian-born author and free-speech commentator, Foster a UK-born former teacher of Venezuelan heritage.
What this episode covers
Rogan opens recounting how his Trump interview drew tens of millions of views and his standing offer for Kamala Harris to come on the show. The trio then range across the breakdown of the left-right divide, free speech and hate-speech laws creeping into the UK, Ireland and Scotland, and the political fallout from Tony Hinchcliffe's joke at a Trump rally. They dig into illegal immigration as an economic issue, AI and automation threatening jobs, foreign interference and bots polluting social media, and the Israel-Gaza war. The conversation closes with an extended combat-sports discussion covering boxing's Saudi-funded revival and UFC standouts like Hamzat Chimaev, Ilia Topuria and Jon Jones.
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Big reveals from this episode
- Rogan says he gave Kamala Harris an open invitation to come on the show anytime but her camp wanted to control the room and travel logistics.
- Konstantin describes a profound silocybin trip with a shaman that changed how he sees the world, concluding humans are conduits for light or dark.
- Rogan claims his Trump interview was hard to find in YouTube search until they reached out, and Elon got it posted to X where it hit 20 million views in a day.
- Foster argues illegal immigration is actually a left-wing issue because it suppresses the wages of the poorest workers.
- They tie the longshoremen's strike to automation fears, citing Singapore's fully automated 24/7 cargo system.
- Konstantin describes the Tenet Media case where Russian proxies allegedly funneled $10 million to US influencers to pollute the information space.
- Foster recounts a Trump rally moment about China that crystallized the appeal of optimism about America's future.
- Rogan and the guests note Dana White said the Francis Ngannou vs Jon Jones fight will never happen.
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- Scotland's hate speech bill came into law on April 1st, potentially criminalizing public performance including stand-up comedy.
- New York's Roosevelt Hotel, a famous luxury hotel, became a one-stop migrant intake center for over a year.
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- In Hamzat Chimaev's fight against Robert Whittaker, Whittaker reportedly landed only two strikes.
- Roughly 300,000 children who crossed the border are reportedly unaccounted for, raising human-smuggling concerns.
- Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former Chief of Staff, discussed the center-left backtracking on wokeness on Sam Harris's podcast.
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