The guest
Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin: British comedians and co-hosts of the Trigonometry podcast; Kisin is also a Substack writer and author.
What this episode covers
Joe Rogan welcomes back Trigonometry hosts Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin for a wide-ranging conversation. They open on how a world 'on fire' paradoxically deepens friendship, then move through parenthood, marriage, fitness culture, and the looming threat of AI companions and sex robots collapsing the family. The middle stretch covers free speech, censorship in the UK and Australia, COVID-era authoritarianism, and the JFK and Watergate conspiracies. They close on Jordan Peterson's positive impact, the dangers of tribal ideology on both left and right, and the collaborative 'organic network' mindset Rogan brought from martial arts to comedy.
Recommended on this episode
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The War of Art
Steven Pressfield
“I've recommended so much; just read this; it'll show you what's there”
“I have a bunch of copies cuz I've recommended so much that he sent me like a box of we bought a box back in the LA studio and now I would give it to comedians I'm like just read this”— Joe Rogan
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The Case Against the Sexual Revolution
Louise Perry
“we had Louise Perry on are you familiar with Louise she wrote a book called the case against the sexual Revolution she's very very good based out of the UK”— Joe Rogan
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Best Evidence
David Lifton
“a friend of mine gave me a book he said you got to read this this called best evidence by David lifton and it's all about this guy who was an accountant”— Joe Rogan
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The Human Zoo
Desmond Morris
“I remember reading a book by a guy called he was a zoologist Desmond Morris and the book was called the human Zoo”— Konstantin Kisin
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The Naked Ape
Desmond Morris
“He wrote a book called The Naked Ape but the human zoo is the one I'm thinking of and his Central argument was when you put animals in the conditions”— Konstantin Kisin
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Why We Fight
Mike Martin
“a guy that I grew up with called Dr Mike Martin and he was a professor of War studies former military guy really smart guy and he wrote a book called why we fight”— Konstantin Kisin
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Social Justice Fallacies
Thomas Sowell
“Thomas Sowell in his book social justice fallacies he talks about how every single Brewery major Brewery in the world was founded by Germans”— Joe Rogan
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We Who Wrestle with God
Jordan Peterson
“his current tour is called we who wrestle with God and he's really I mean what he's really doing is telling people stories from the Bible”— Konstantin Kisin
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Microsoft Word
Microsoft
“I literally fell asleep in my keyboard last night I was sitting in front of Microsoft Word and I just nodded out”— Joe Rogan
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The Conqueror
Dick Powell
“has anyone ever seen the Conqueror I think I want to see it now some of those really old bad movies are amazing they're amazing to watch”— Joe Rogan
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Wall-E
Pixar
“what was that movie where they're all being like carried around on these like they're all fat I think that was Wally”— Joe Rogan
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Dune
Denis Villeneuve
“I haven't seen too much really good Sci-Fi being made which I find interesting because her Dune was great”— Konstantin Kisin
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Space: 1999
Gerry Anderson
“there was a show called space 1999 remember I used to watch when I was a kid I was like Wow 1999 there space like everything was like super futuristic”— Konstantin Kisin
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Call of Duty
Activision
“instead of women because you can't be bothered because then you can't play Call of Duty all day like that for a lot of young guys”— Joe Rogan
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The Omen
Richard Donner
“it's was like oh it's uh Damian from The Omen that's what it is he's evil”— Joe Rogan
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Substack (Konstantin Kisin)
Substack
“there's a substack so how does it work the substacks like a just Constantin kissing substack head there read read the all right”— Joe Rogan
Big reveals from this episode
- Rogan reveals he bought a box of Steven Pressfield's 'The War of Art' to hand out to comedians, calling it essential reading for beating creative resistance.
- Kisin recounts Louise Perry's prediction that sex robots will 'ruin everything' by severing male ambition from the desire to win a mate.
- Rogan says a friend's brother on the LA COVID task force admitted closing outdoor dining was 'about the Optics' despite no evidence of transmission.
- They discuss Trump's reported claim that if you saw what he saw about JFK, 'you wouldn't release it either,' per Judge Andrew Napolitano.
- Claim that the Pentagon deliberately hid the Chinese spy balloons from Trump because they feared he would shoot them down.
- Story of anti-gravity scientist Dr. Ning Li, who disappeared from the US after DoD funding and is believed to have returned to China.
- Foster describes interviewing pro-Palestine protesters who carried 'From the River to the Sea' signs but couldn't explain what they meant.
Worth remembering
- Half of all marriages end in divorce, but not half of people, because serial divorcers skew the statistics.
- Out of 220 cast and crew on the 1956 film 'The Conqueror,' filmed near a Nevada nuclear test site, 91 developed cancer.
- Russia produced nuclear-armed Poseidon torpedoes capable of triggering radioactive tsunamis against coastal cities.
- A Japanese MRI study reconstructed images from dreams with about 60% accuracy.
- Per Thomas Sowell, every major brewery in the world, including China's Tsingtao, was founded by Germans.
- Oxytocin both bonds an in-group together and breeds suspicion of the out-group, helping explain tribal political behavior.
- Atrazine, a herbicide in the water supply, can turn male frogs female and acts as an endocrine disruptor.
- Operation Northwoods was a real Joint Chiefs plan, vetoed by Kennedy, to stage false-flag attacks and blame Cuba.
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