The guest
Andy Stumpf: A retired, highly decorated Navy SEAL turned author and podcaster who held a wingsuit BASE-jumping world record. He just published his book Drownproof and lives in northwestern Montana.
What this episode covers
Joe Rogan and Andy Stumpf range across an enormous number of topics in a loose, joking conversation. They dig into why even elite SEALs drown, the brutal necessity of dangerous training standards, and the absurd bureaucracy and ammunition-burning waste inside the military. The back half turns personal and philosophical: a deep jiu-jitsu history lesson, injuries and aging, TRT and recovery, plus tangents on COVID, the pharmaceutical industry, electric cars, wingsuit flying, jet suits, and whether giants, Bigfoot, and UFOs could be real. It closes warmly with Stumpf thanking Rogan and promoting Drownproof.
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Drownproof
Andy Stumpf
“so this book, the title is drownproof. And you were saying before we got started, um, how many Navy Seals wind up drowning?”— Andy Stumpf
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“And Drownproof, did you read the audio book? I did. Yes. I love it. All right, that's it. Go get it, folks. It's out now.”— Joe Rogan
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Big reveals from this episode
- Stumpf reveals two Navy SEALs recently drowned during a 2024 real-world ship boarding in the Arabian Sea, their bodies never recovered.
- Stumpf argues training deaths roughly every five years are tragic but essentially necessary, because soft training kills more people in the real job.
- Stumpf describes the Carl Gustaf, a weapon whose manual warns it can separate the lining of your lungs after about six shots.
- SEALs were forced to expend entire pallets of ammunition because issued ordnance could not be returned to base.
- Stumpf shares his own end-of-life wish to skip embalming and be buried naturally.
- Stumpf admits that when he finally got his hormones tested, his testosterone was around 200 and he assumed his life was nearly over.
- Stumpf confirms he set a wingsuit distance world record of roughly 18.2 miles.
- Rogan reads that President Trump told the NY Post a secret CIA 'Ghost Murmur' tool detecting heartbeats at great distance helped rescue a downed airman in Iran.
Worth remembering
- Lyme disease is named after Lyme, Connecticut, near Plum Island where tick bioweapons research occurred.
- Alpha-gal syndrome (the tick bite that makes you allergic to red meat) first emerged in the US in the late 1980s but wasn't recognized until the early 2000s.
- The Department of Defense is the only one of 24 major federal agencies that has never passed a full financial audit.
- Tibetan sky funerals involve chopping up the body for waiting vultures as a natural return to the ecosystem.
- Eddie Bravo's no-gi style traces back to Jean Jacques Machado, who was born with essentially one hand and dominated Abu Dhabi without gi grips.
- Rogan credits an 'Iron Neck' training device and Regenokine blood treatment with curing his bulging discs and numbness.
- A Gravity Industries jet suit produces about 1,050 horsepower, comparable to a Corvette ZR1, but only flies for roughly one to four minutes.
- Google's Willow quantum chip reportedly solved in minutes a task that would take a classical supercomputer about 10 to the 25th power years.
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