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Joe Rogan Experience #2508 - Joe Eszterhas

Legendary screenwriter Joe Eszterhas tells Joe Rogan how a real-life affair and crime-beat years birthed Basic Instinct, his Christian conversion, and wild Hunter Thompson and Jimi Hendrix stories.

Joe Rogan Experience #2508 - Joe Eszterhas
The guest

Joe Eszterhas: Hungarian-born screenwriter behind Basic Instinct, Showgirls, Flashdance and 18 produced films, and a former crime/civil-rights reporter who became one of Hollywood's highest-paid writers. A throat-cancer survivor and devout Christian, now 81.

What this episode covers

Eszterhas traces his dark, sex-and-violence-soaked screenwriting to a teenage affair with an older woman and years on the police beat covering shootings, urban uprisings and crime scenes. He recounts writing Basic Instinct in 13 days in Hawaii on cocaine and the Rolling Stones, the record $3 million sale, and the critical turnaround on the film. A large stretch covers his late-life conversion to Christianity after stage-four throat cancer, his study of the historical Jesus, and a long riff on the Shroud of Turin. He shares vivid stories about his mentor and friend Hunter S. Thompson, a wild morning interviewing Jimi Hendrix, his admiration for Sam Kinison and Mark Twain, and his views on immigration, ICE and militarized policing. He closes on writing, addiction, alcohol's role in quieting the mind, and finally getting sober at 70.

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

The Passion of the Christ

Mel Gibson

“in my mind it was like a prayer, I watch it each Good Friday”
“like uh The Passion of the Christ for instance. That was a huge movie... in my mind, um, it was like a prayer, you know, the, uh, I watch it each Good Friday.”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaRecommended

The Last Temptation of Christ

Martin Scorsese

“I liked it and it's also very real”
“the last temptation of Christ... I love wood fo I mean he's one of my favorite actors... I liked it and it's also very real that historically real.”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaRecommended

Lenny

Bob Fosse

“Great film, Dustin Hoffman nailed it”
“did you see Lenny the Dustin Hoffman film? Great film. I mean I think Dustin Hoffman nailed it.”— Joe Eszterhas
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

Hunter S. Thompson

“in my mind is the best political commentary”
“the campaign book the 72 campaign book which in my mind is the best political commentary including all of Teddy White's books.”— Joe Eszterhas

The guest's own work

MediaBy the guest

Basic Instinct

Joe Eszterhas

“The twisted little man had another thought and I raced back inside and wrote the words Basic Instinct. Sent it to my agents. They auctioned it.”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaBy the guest

Big Shots

Joe Eszterhas

“big shots which was little movie that that was very popular with kids came from my son Steve's experience um in Marin County with a black friend”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaBy the guest

Checking Out

Joe Eszterhas

“there was a movie I did called Checking Out with Jeff Daniels and that was about midlife crisis”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaBy the guest

Betrayed

Joe Eszterhas

“I concocted this romance between Deborah Winger and Tom Barer. So, but they they all had some kind of a tie.”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaBy the guest

Telling Lies in America

Joe Eszterhas

“Telling Lies in America, which is one of my favorite little movies with Kevin Bacon and Brad Renfro, is semi-auto autobiographical”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaBy the guest

Fist

Joe Eszterhas

“I go to meet them and they hire me and I write fist. All of that which led to my success in the screenplays”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaBy the guest

Showgirls

Joe Eszterhas

“I can only imagine when I watched show girls I was like whoever wrote this was doing coke”— Joe Eszterhas
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Charlie Simpson's Apocalypse

Joe Eszterhas

“I write a a book called Charlie Simpsons Apocalypse... and then the book becomes a finalist for the National Book Award.”— Joe Eszterhas

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferencedISBN verified

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Hunter S. Thompson

“Two books especially I taught the the fear and Loathing in Vegas of course and the campaign book”— Joe Eszterhas
BookReferencedISBN verified

Letters from the Earth

Mark Twain

“Nobody talks of he wrote a book called Letters from the Earth from from the Voice of the Devil.”— Joe Eszterhas
BookReferencedISBN verified

The Mysterious Stranger

Mark Twain

“He wrote another one called The Mysterious Stranger, which is about Jesus coming back in a very dark way.”— Joe Eszterhas
MediaReferenced

The Rum Diary

Hunter S. Thompson

“he wanted me to write the screenplay for Rum Diary. and I hadn't seen him in a long time”— Joe Eszterhas
BookReferenced

Dark Church

Naomi Eszterhas

“she's written her first novel... which is called um Dark Church and it's set in in Dracula's Transylvania.”— Joe Eszterhas

Big reveals from this episode

  • Wrote Basic Instinct in 13 days in Hawaii while snorting coke and listening only to the Rolling Stones.
  • Says Catherine Tramell came from a real affair he had at 18 with a 39-year-old faculty member's wife.
  • Originally titled the script 'Love Hurts' before renaming it Basic Instinct on his way out the door; it sold for a record $3 million.
  • Got stage-four throat cancer and credits a never-before-done-in-the-US surgery and his prayer life with saving him.
  • Says Hunter S. Thompson is the reason for his entire screenwriting career, championing him to Rolling Stone and getting his book published.
  • Tells how Thompson shot the tires out of the Rolling Stones' car after Mick and Keith left a visit early.
  • Michael Ovitz allegedly told him his 'foot soldiers' would 'put you under the ground' if he left CAA, sparking a major Hollywood scandal.
  • Joe Rogan confirms he stole 'The Joe Rogan Experience' name directly from the Jimi Hendrix Experience.

Worth remembering

  • 18 of Eszterhas's films were made, with about 16 more scripts that never were.
  • Feminist critic Camille Paglia reversed her stance and called Basic Instinct a 'post-feminist classic.'
  • A Catholic study led under John Paul II carbon-dated the Shroud of Turin to roughly 1300-1320, though Eszterhas still prays to it.
  • Recounts Hunter Thompson taking acid before every trip to San Francisco strip bars and yelling for the dancers to come out.
  • Sam Kinison dedicated a CD ('Leader of the Banned') with special thanks to Eszterhas for his letter to Michael Ovitz.
  • Took Jimi Hendrix and his bandmates to a Hungarian restaurant in Cleveland where Hendrix ate three chicken paprikash and signed autographs for old ladies.
  • Notes Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Cobain and Amy Winehouse all died at 27.
  • Smoked from age 13 to 60, drank heavily until 70, and finally quit after his wife Naomi intervened.
  • His wife Naomi wrote her first novel, a Gothic thriller called 'Dark Church' set in Dracula's Transylvania, at 67.
  • Once called an ambulance thinking he was having a heart attack that turned out to be a caffeine reaction from too much coffee.