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Joe Rogan · 2024-06-27

Joe Rogan Experience #2027 - Oliver Anthony

Viral 'Rich Men North of Richmond' singer Oliver Anthony tells Joe Rogan about sudden fame, his head injury, depression, and finding faith.

Joe Rogan Experience #2027 - Oliver Anthony
The guest

Oliver Anthony: Christopher Anthony Lunsford, Virginia singer-songwriter whose self-recorded 'Rich Men North of Richmond' became an overnight viral No. 1 hit

What this episode covers

Oliver Anthony, a former industrial-sales worker from Farmville, Virginia, joins Joe Rogan weeks after 'Rich Men North of Richmond' exploded into a No. 1 hit recorded on his Android phone. He describes the surreal whirlwind of instant fame, counterfeit merch, AI remixes, and political pundits trying to claim or attack him. Much of the conversation is personal: a workplace head injury, years of anxiety, heavy weed and alcohol use, panic attacks he mistook for a heart attack, and a 'come to Jesus' breakdown that turned his life around. He and Rogan range across practical effects vs CGI, the porn and pharma industries, federal overreach, free speech, nature, hunting, and ancient lost civilizations. Throughout, Anthony insists he is just a regular guy and that anyone can pursue their dream without an industry behind them.

Recommended on this episode

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Taxi Driver

Martin Scorsese

“that's a masterpiece of a movie it's so connected”
“like Taxi Driver like you go back and watch Taxi Driver that's a masterpiece of a movie it's so connected”— Joe Rogan
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An American Werewolf in London

John Landis

“my favorite horror movie; it was the perfect horror movie”
“that was my 100 my favorite horror movie that I love that movie because it's funny it's terrifying”— Joe Rogan
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Piece of My Heart

Janis Joplin

“one of my greatest examples; a voice from the heaven”
“Janice Joplin's like one of my greatest examples there's a take a little piece of my heart there's a authenticity in that voice”— Joe Rogan
BookRecommended

The Bible (Proverbs and Ecclesiastes)

“it would make the world a better place; there's a lot of Truth in those words”
“if people could just have enough open-mindedness to just read a little bit of Proverbs and just see what it has to say it would make the world a better place”— Oliver Anthony
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Empire of the Summer Moon

S.C. Gwynne

“an amazing book”
“there's an amazing book called Empire of the summer Moon that's all about Texas and the Comanches and the Texas Rangers”— Joe Rogan
ProductRecommended

Origin

Origin USA

“my favorite boots; it's awesome”
“my favorite boots are made by this company origin this is company that uh Jocko's a part of and they make everything American made”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

MediaBy the guest

Ain't Got a Dollar

Oliver Anthony

“probably May of last year when I uploaded ain't got a dollar or it might have been rich man's goal was the first one I uploaded on YouTube”— Oliver Anthony
MediaBy the guest

Rich Man's Goal

Oliver Anthony

“or it might have been rich man's goal was the first one I uploaded on YouTube”— Oliver Anthony
MediaBy the guest

Rich Men North of Richmond

Oliver Anthony

“I only had the first half of Richmond north of Richmond even written it was on my Tick Tock I was sitting in my bathroom”— Oliver Anthony
MediaBy the guest

I Want to Go Home

Oliver Anthony

“a lot of people like I want to go home I've seen that one's got like some million views on it and whatever and that's awesome”— Oliver Anthony
MediaBy the guest

Dog On It

Oliver Anthony

“my favorite song that talks about like class and politics in the world it's probably dog on it like dog on it's probably my favorite out of any of them”— Oliver Anthony

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

ProductReferenced

Realtree Crocs

Crocs

“I've got some some genuine Realtree Crocs for when I'm out I'm out in the stand you know”— Oliver Anthony
MediaReferenced

Star Wars

George Lucas

“but Star Wars was really partial to me growing up and I don't think they'll ever touch the original series”— Oliver Anthony
MediaReferenced

The Thing

John Carpenter

“real thing like John Carpenter's The Thing you're better off with that than you are with CGI”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

The Office

NBC

“and then there was uh Dwight from the office oh yeah if I did that if he was gonna write a cultural Anthem”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Diablo IV

Blizzard Entertainment

“if you want to play Diablo four at three o'clock in the morning I support your rights”— Joe Rogan
ProductReferenced

DistroKid

DistroKid

“I ripped the WAV file off the YouTube video and then just uploaded through distro kid and so like people were buying like the number two song on iTunes”— Oliver Anthony
MediaReferenced

Lone Survivor

Peter Berg

“we were talking about this yesterday with Peter Berg he's uh director actor he's got did Lone Survivor made that movie”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Painkiller

Peter Berg

“made that painkiller show that's on Netflix and he did a tour of one of those battleships”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Anthony's real legal name is Christopher Anthony Lunsford; 'Oliver Anthony' honors his grandfather, who himself discovered at 65 his birth name didn't match his paperwork.
  • Anthony had a breakdown and a 'come to Jesus' moment in his truck after an ER visit, convinced he was dying from what were actually stress and anxiety symptoms.
  • He admits he uploaded the songs partly because he thought he might die, wanting to leave something behind for his family.
  • A workplace fall and internal skull fracture left him with seizures, memory loss, and balance problems; he and Rogan connect it directly to his later depression.
  • He says smoking CBD flower joints gave him major relief from daily panic attacks where SSRIs only left him numb.
  • He describes giving up weed and drinking and turning his focus to God, saying it alleviated 99 percent of his anguish.
  • 'Rich Men North of Richmond' was half-written and only finished hours before recording; he didn't even want to record it and ain't got a dollar was his top pick.

Worth remembering

  • Comedian Brian Simpson keeps separate 'walk-around Crocs' and pristine 'stage Crocs' he changes into before going on stage.
  • Anthony daily-drives a 2007 Suburban with 325,000 miles and a salvage title that rolled off the back of a tow truck.
  • Joe Rogan's studio displays two An American Werewolf in London werewolf props made by effects artist Pat McGee, the newer one built with real yak hair.
  • Roughly 1,500 counterfeit 'Nets with Vets' shirts appeared online simply because Anthony wore the veterans charity's shirt at one concert.
  • Only two countries, the United States and New Zealand, allow direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical advertising on television, permitted since 1997.
  • Rogan recounts Jocko Willink's 'Good' philosophy, which he says he literally plays in his mind to push through cold plunges and hard moments.
  • Rogan summarizes Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson's theory that an advanced civilization was destroyed by comet impacts around 11,800 years ago.
  • JFK reportedly ordered around 1,200 Cuban cigars right before the Cuba embargo; his humidor later auctioned for about $575,000.