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Tim Ferriss · 2020-07-27

Brad Feld — The Art of Unplugging, Carving Your Own Path, and More! | The Tim Ferriss Show

VC Brad Feld tells Tim Ferriss how unplugging rituals, therapy, and openness about depression sustained him through entrepreneurial chaos.

Brad Feld — The Art of Unplugging, Carving Your Own Path, and More! | The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

Brad Feld: Early-stage investor and entrepreneur since 1987, co-founder of Foundry Group and Techstars, and author of multiple books in the Startup Revolution series. He is also an OCD/depression mental-health advocate, art collector, and 50-state marathon runner based in Boulder, Colorado.

What this episode covers

Brad Feld walks Tim Ferriss through the origins of his quarterly off-the-grid vacations, sparked by his wife Amy telling him 'I'm done' during the dot-com collapse when his words stopped matching his actions. He opens up candidly about his OCD, his decades of depression, the shame he eventually obliterated by blogging publicly about it in 2013, and how coach Jerry Colonna reshaped his approach to vulnerability. Feld details practical relationship systems he and Amy built, monthly 'life dinners' run like agile retrospectives, digital sabbaths, and conflict ground rules. He closes by explaining why he chose Boulder over Silicon Valley, his love of science fiction, and how complexity theory underpins his framework for building startup communities.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommended

The Philosophy of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): Stoic Philosophy as Rational and Cognitive Psychotherapy

Donald Robertson

“i found to be quite interesting ... that is a good resource”
“a book called the philosophy of cognitive behavioral therapy cbt subtitled stoic philosophy as rational and cognitive psychotherapy by donald robertson which i found to be quite interesting”— Tim Ferriss
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Mighty Networks

Mighty Networks

“that's really quite interesting and well done”
“i'm using a tool called mighty networks that's really quite interesting and well done and you know in a very short order of opening it up to people”— Brad Feld
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Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Robert Pirsig

“a book i think anybody who makes anything should read ... i recommend it to all entrepreneurs”
“piersick's book is zenon motorcycle maintenance is a book i think anybody who makes anything should read um i recommend it to all entrepreneurs”— Brad Feld
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Neuromancer

William Gibson

“these two books are important books ... it will blow your mind”
“neuromancer was first it was written in 1984 and if you read it today you kind of go ah whatever but if you read it ... it will blow your mind”— Brad Feld
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Snow Crash

Neal Stephenson

“the technology part of snow crash is brilliant ... it's awesome”
“snow crash is written in 1992 ... i think the technology part of snow crash is brilliant but even more powerful is the geopolitical part”— Brad Feld
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Hyperion / Hyperion Cantos

Dan Simmons

“a book also ... that i think is is as good or better”
“a book called hyperion it's actually four books hyperion cantos ... a book also ... that i think is is as good or better”— Brad Feld
MediaRecommended

Battlestar Galactica

Ronald D. Moore

“i'd put them so much at the top of the list ... it's a great space opera”
“the reason battlestar galactica is on that list ... it's a great space opera but it's not about being a space opera it's once again about humans and machines”— Brad Feld
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Dune

Frank Herbert

“in terms of world building it's a mind blower it's classic”
“which is dune frank herbert in terms of world building it's a mind blower it's classic ... you can learn almost all the leadership lessons you need from dune”— Tim Ferriss
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The End of October

Lawrence Wright

“it is so good and so terrifying and so real on so many levels”
“it's a book called the end of october it's written by a guy named lawrence wright and it came out in april of this year ... it is so good”— Brad Feld
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Arrival

Denis Villeneuve film based on Ted Chiang

“the book arrival which i think is fantastic”
“the book arrival which i think is fantastic was based on one of his short stories which for a language obsessed person like me”— Tim Ferriss
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Exhalation

Ted Chiang

“a new collection called exhalation that i highly recommend to people”
“he has a new collection called exhalation that i highly recommend to people and then ken liu”— Tim Ferriss
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The Paper Menagerie

Ken Liu

“the paper menagerie and exhalation are easy ways to kind of play in the shallow end with deep meaning”
“ken liu the paper menagerie which was gifted to me by matt mullenweg really accomplished tech founder ceo of a company called automatic”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommended

Complexity: The Emerging Science at the Edge of Order and Chaos

M. Mitchell Waldrop

“reading that book and just sort of ... having my mind blown”
“i read a book a book called complexity ... i remember laying on my couch ... reading that book and just sort of ... having my mind blown”— Brad Feld
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Pu-erh Tea

“a ten dollar bag will last you a long time”
“so i combined it with puare tea a ten dollar bag will last you a long time i basically use the unsweetened superfood creamer like powdered mct oil”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

The Startup Community Way

Brad Feld

“brad is the author of two new books the startup community way and the second edition of startup communities he has been an early stage investor”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Startup Communities (second edition)

Brad Feld

“brad is the author of two new books the startup community way and the second edition of startup communities”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Venture Deals

Brad Feld

“writes the blogs failed thoughts and adventure deals two of my favorite blogs out there which really are i think timeless”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

BookReferenced

Reboot

Jerry Colonna

“the evolution of jerry and if you read his book reboot like just understanding that if one wants to have put your adjective in”— Brad Feld
BookReferencedISBN verified

Atlas Shrugged

Ayn Rand

“independent of what you think about atlas shrugged as a book or iron around as a philosopher like the whole idea of gold sculpture being in colorado”— Brad Feld
ProductReferenced

Range Rover

Land Rover

“she's picked up a lot of jewelry and art from from it over the years and books one dinner she gave me a range rover”— Brad Feld

Big reveals from this episode

  • Feld's first off-grid vacation came after Amy quietly told him 'I'm done' in mid-2000 during the internet-bubble deflation, meaning she'd had enough of how he was living, not just the bad week he assumed she meant.
  • The foundational lesson from that weekend was that his words didn't match his actions, answering random phone calls during dinner while claiming Amy was the most important person in his life.
  • Since 2000 he and Amy take a week off the grid every quarter (Saturday to Saturday), and it took over a year to detox from the anxiety of disconnecting.
  • Feld publicly identifies as DSM-5 OCD, a counter, arranger, and checker, and in 2013 began openly blogging about his struggles with anxiety and depression after a new therapy session.
  • Coach Jerry Colonna told him he could be a better leader simply by being himself and letting go of constraints, prompting Feld to return to therapy and write publicly about it.
  • Feld and Amy created monthly 'life dinners' on the first of each month, run like an agile retrospective and sprint planning session, now over a thousand dinners across 20-plus years.
  • Their conflict ground rules: never any physical violence (a redline), never shut down during a fight, and both partners give a real apology when it's over.
  • The Startup Community Way crystallized when co-author Ian Hathaway framed a startup community as a complex adaptive system, distinct from a deterministic simple or complicated system.

Worth remembering

  • Feld archives all emails received during his off-grid weeks and tells senders to resend after he returns, so he can start Monday with an empty inbox instead of reliving the prior week.
  • His ASP-era company Inter-Reliant hit a peak market cap of about $3 billion with 1,500 employees, but mastered 'the art of losing $5 million a month' and collapsed when the bubble burst.
  • His mentor Len Fassler hugged him during the collapse and said 'they can't kill you and they can't eat you, suit up', a line Feld calls one of his most important professional moments.
  • At MIT Feld scored 20 out of 100 on his first freshman physics test and cried for an hour, only later learning the class average was 32, making it roughly a B-minus.
  • Feld explains OCD as an inappropriate linkage between obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors, like straightening cigarettes on the street to prevent his wife from having an affair.
  • His magic number is three, so he repeats rituals three times, and if he makes a mistake, his engineer's brain escalates it to nine, then 27, then potentially 81 times.
  • Feld keeps a digital sabbath from Friday night to Sunday morning roughly 80 percent of the time; when he skipped it for three weeks during COVID he felt completely broken.
  • Amy's only requirement for where to live was 'ocean or mountains,' and about two months before Feld turned 30 she told him 'I'm moving to Boulder and you can come with me if you'd like.'
  • Feld learned the word 'topophilia', love of place, from former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper, who helped create the microbrewery industry.
  • For his billboard, Feld would put 'breathe' for the world and 'don't believe your own [expletive]' for Silicon Valley, plus 'they can't kill you and they can't eat you.'