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Tim Ferriss · 2022-03-16

Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, and More

Futurist Jane McGonagall on how a 2010 game eerily predicted COVID, plus practical habits to imagine and prepare for any future.

Jane McGonigal — How She Predicted COVID in 2010, Becoming the Expert of Your Own Future, and More
The guest

Jane McGonigal: Future forecaster, director of games research and development at the Institute for the Future, and lead instructor of its Coursera series. New York Times bestselling author of Reality Is Broken, SuperBetter, and Imaginable.

What this episode covers

Jane McGonigal explains how a 2010 social simulation she ran with the World Bank and 20,000+ gamers anticipated a respiratory pandemic from China, misinformation movements, mask resistance, women exiting the workforce, and West Coast wildfires, all of which materialized in 2020. She describes how participants who imagined these futures suffered less anxiety because their first emotional reaction was 'pre-recognition.' The conversation explores emerging threats like the tick-borne alpha-gal meat allergy, global youth disillusionment, deepfakes and cognitive warfare, neural-implant-driven sex, and climate migration. McGonigal teaches three habits of 'urgent optimism' (mental flexibility, realistic hope, future power) plus specificity training through journaling from the future. She closes by urging listeners to seize this historic window for transformative change and to keep backup water and power.

Recommended on this episode

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Quordle

“it's it's great”
“it's it's great i mean you literally can't think about anything else while you're trying to solve four five letter words at the same time”— Jane McGonigal
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Candy Crush

King

“candy crush is great”
“there are other games at work candy crush is great you know any any visual pattern matching game where your brain is looking at colors”— Jane McGonigal
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12 Monkeys

“i encourage everybody to re-watch that movie”
“lest we allow the apathetic youth amongst us just turn into you know some version of 12 monkeys or worse i encourage everybody to re-watch that movie”— Tim Ferriss
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Children of Men

“should also re-watch ready player one and children of men”
“should also re-watch ready player one and children of men uh and possibly re-read snow crash”— Tim Ferriss
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Snow Crash

Neal Stephenson

“possibly re-read snow crash”
“should also re-watch ready player one and children of men uh and possibly re-read snow crash but that's us all separately”— Tim Ferriss
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Bridgefy

Bridgefy

“you can get an app like bridge fi and what they do is if the internet goes out during um extreme weather during a government mandated internet shutdown”— Jane McGonigal
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Chimpanzee Politics

Frans de Waal

“i would also recommend people read there's a book called chimpanzee politics which is fascinating”
“i would also recommend people read there's a book called chimpanzee politics which is fascinating it's written by a field biologist”— Tim Ferriss

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

Imaginable

Jane McGonigal

“her newest book is imaginable subtitle how to see the future coming and feel ready for anything even things that seem impossible today”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

Reality Is Broken

Jane McGonigal

“jane is the new york times bestselling author of reality is broken and super better and her newest book is imaginable”— Tim Ferriss
BookBy the guestISBN verified

SuperBetter

Jane McGonigal

“jane is the new york times bestselling author of reality is broken and super better and her newest book is imaginable”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Ambien

Sanofi

“you might see those tetris blocks falling when you close your eyes but that's not not too bad a side effect is you know better than ambien”— Jane McGonigal
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Tetris

“the researchers at oxford university who first did that study about using tetris to prevent unwanted flashbacks from traumatic events”— Jane McGonigal
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Wordle

“quartal is the super masochistic version of wordle which everybody's been playing”— Jane McGonigal
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Axie Infinity

Sky Mavis

“what we're already seeing in places like say the philippines with axi infinity is people playing to earn so playing a game earning income”— Tim Ferriss
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Roblox

Roblox Corporation

“you look at roblox people already getting paid for creating games within this gaming world or ecosystem”— Jane McGonigal
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Sorare

“you have companies like so rare which tether real world performance and sports too not just virtual gaming but then betting on top of that”— Tim Ferriss
MediaReferenced

Ready Player One

“i do think you know ready player one is probably closer than we would like to think”— Tim Ferriss
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World of Warcraft

Blizzard Entertainment

“we really like these big game worlds we're all playing together it's world of warcraft it's league of legends it's pokemon go”— Jane McGonigal
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League of Legends

Riot Games

“we really like these big game worlds we're all playing together it's world of warcraft it's league of legends it's pokemon go”— Jane McGonigal
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Pokemon Go

Niantic

“we really like these big game worlds we're all playing together it's world of warcraft it's league of legends it's pokemon go”— Jane McGonigal
BookReferencedISBN verified

Future Shock

Alvin Toffler

“in 1968 he wrote a book called future shock and it was coming at the end of this incredibly turbulent time in the united states”— Jane McGonigal

Big reveals from this episode

  • In a 2010 World Bank simulation set in 2020, players imagined a respiratory pandemic starting in China, a conspiracy group spreading misinformation, and historic West Coast wildfires; nearly everything they imagined actually happened.
  • Players predicted now-confirmed surprises: religious services, weddings, and funerals as the super-spreader events hardest to shut down, and a historic exodus of women from the workforce to care for kids home from school.
  • McGonigal spent two years studying participants and found they suffered less anxiety and depression during the real crisis because their first emotion was 'pre-recognition', the feeling of having foreseen it, which overcomes denial and normalcy bias faster.
  • The World Economic Forum's most underrated risk was identified as global youth disillusionment, evidenced by a Lancet study where 56% of young people feel humanity is doomed and two-thirds feel anxious or hopeless about the future.
  • McGonigal forecasts neural implants arriving first for treating intractable depression and suicidal ideation, with a second wave potentially meeting orgasm needs without physical sex, a shift she predicts could 'rock everything' in society.
  • Urgent optimism is built through three habits, mental flexibility, realistic hope, and future power, and notably does NOT require believing the future will be good; it often grows from imagining the next risk or disaster.
  • Journaling from the future, writing detailed diary entries about an imagined future as if it already happened, obliterates normalcy bias, and once vividly imagined a future is permanently 'imaginable' and no longer deniable.
  • The favorite scenario in Imaginable, 'The Ten-Year Winter,' imagines society going all-in on solar radiation management (injecting sulfate particles to cool Earth), a real but heavily under-investigated geoengineering technology currently under a UN moratorium.

Worth remembering

  • Oxford researchers found that playing Tetris for 10 minutes can prevent unwanted PTSD flashbacks by taking over the brain's visual processing center; they have since replicated the findings in the field with emergency-room patients.
  • Before electricity, humans normally slept in 'first sleep' and 'second sleep,' staying awake for two to three hours in the middle of the night to do chores or have conversations.
  • In parts of the U.S. southeast, 33% of people have already received at least one tick bite giving them sensitivity to the alpha-gal sugar molecule, which can trigger meat allergies; gelatin in gummy vitamins, capsules, and even toilet paper also contains it.
  • Disease-bearing ticks have now been found in all of New York City's public parks and on California beaches, places that used to be considered safe from ticks.
  • China's 'lying flat' movement involves young people refusing the hustle and grind, choosing to buy less and live with parents rather than chase full-time work and material wealth.
  • Research suggests younger people are having less sex partly because women see normalized choking, slapping, and hitting in porn and don't want to participate in sex portrayed as that violent.
  • 'Adversarial makeup' applied around the eyes can interrupt facial-recognition algorithms; the pandemic's widespread masking inadvertently advanced facial recognition because companies learned to identify people from just the eye band.
  • Apps like Bridgefi create mesh networks using phones' Bluetooth, letting communities recreate an internet during government shutdowns; in the U.S. the president is legally permitted to shut down the internet under the Communications Act.
  • The first emergency organ transplant delivery by drone occurred recently, a heart that couldn't be transported fast enough any other way.
  • Alvin Toffler coined 'future shock' in his 1968 book, arguing that too much change too fast acts like mass trauma, and proposed clubs where generations would practice future skills as a rite of passage.