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Joe Rogan Experience #2012 - Gad Saad

Gad Saad's ninth JRE visit roams over tribalism, free speech, MMA, sports fandom, pandemic policy, and gender ideology.

Joe Rogan Experience #2012 - Gad Saad
The guest

Gad Saad: Evolutionary behavioral scientist and professor; author of The Parasitic Mind and The Saad Truth about Happiness; making his ninth appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience.

What this episode covers

Gad Saad joins Joe Rogan for a wide-ranging conversation kicked off by the release of his happiness book. They dig into social-media tribalism, bot-driven outrage, and how ideological loyalty overrides objective truth, citing figures like Rob Reiner and Tucker Carlson. The middle of the show turns playful, covering favorite movies, the relative fitness of athletes across sports, soccer (Messi worship), and a long appreciation of elite MMA fighters like Jon Jones and Khabib. The back half gets serious again with pandemic policy, the COVID lab-leak theory, Canada's assisted-dying program, and an extended critique of contemporary gender ideology framed through Saad's evolutionary and deontological-versus-consequentialist lens.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommended

The Immortality Key

Brian Muraresku

“it's an amazing book”
“Brian M rescu and he wrote this book about the ucini Mysteries called um the immortality key it's an amazing book”— Joe Rogan
MediaRecommended

2001: A Space Odyssey

Stanley Kubrick

“that movie is amazing it's amazing visually”
“that movie is amazing it's not just amazing it's amazing visually and it's from 1968”— Joe Rogan
MediaRecommended

12 Angry Men

“my my all-time favorite”
“my my all-time favorite the original 12 Angry Men I first saw and actually it speaks to what we talked about earlier”— Gad Saad
MediaRecommended

Dressed to Kill

Brian De Palma

“this is an amazing movie I highly highly recommend it”
“this is an amazing movie I highly highly recommend it 1980 1980 15 years old wow”— Gad Saad
MediaRecommended

Alien

Ridley Scott

“love that movie... this movie is so good it's so good and it's so scary”
“I think I would say the first alien love that movie the first alien movie that is a scary movie”— Joe Rogan
MediaRecommended

Smokey and the Bandit

“that's a fun movie”
“smoking the Bandit I mean come on man Jackie gleon you got B Reynolds Sally Fields come on man that that's a fun movie”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

The Saad Truth about Happiness: 8 Secrets for Leading the Good Life

Gad Saad

“July 25th is the release of my latest book... the sad truth about happiness eight secrets for leading the good life boom all right please read it”— Gad Saad
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Parasitic Mind

Gad Saad

“in in my last book in the parastic mind I talk about two ethical systems deontological ethics and consequentialist ethics”— Gad Saad
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Evolutionary Bases of Consumption

Gad Saad

“in in in my first book ever 2007 evolutionary basic consumption I talk about studies not my studies I was citing other works”— Gad Saad
BookBy the guestISBN verified

The Consuming Instinct

Gad Saad

“in the consuming Instinct one of my earlier books 2011 I have a whole analysis of certain kosher laws from an evolutionary biological perspective”— Gad Saad

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

MediaReferenced

Every Which Way but Loose

“that's the movie that where he was the bare knuckle boxer isn't it I think that sounds right”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

Halloween

“scariest movie of all times as we were talking earlier about our favorite movie Halloween first one Jam Lee Curtis”— Gad Saad
MediaReferenced

Candyman

“the way to call demons is like by saying a word... say candy man in front of the in front of the mirror three times”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced

All in the Family

“Meathead from All in the Family Rob Riner have you ever gone to his I've read a couple of tweets”— Joe Rogan
ProductReferenced

Budweiser

Anheuser-Busch

“the difference between Budweiser and pharmaceutical drug companies is that Budweiser is not prescribed”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Bert Bacharach's son DM'd Saad after the previous JRE clip to invite Bacharach onto Saad's show, but Bacharach died before it could happen.
  • Saad's childhood best friend and cousin, who survived the Lebanese civil war with him, publicly shamed him ('have you no shame') just for going on Tucker Carlson's show.
  • Saad's parents were kidnapped by Fatah in Lebanon in 1980 and freed when he was 15.
  • Saad received an in-person death threat while walking with his son, requiring Montreal police involvement.
  • Saad rejects the 'Dr. Evil' pandemic conspiracy, attributing harmful policy mostly to the fog of war and people overstating their certainty.
  • They trace modern gender social-constructivism back to psychologist John Money and the David Reimer case that ended in suicide.
  • Saad and Rogan walk back a viral Charlize Theron adoption meme on air after the sourcing fails to support it.

Worth remembering

  • There appears to be a critical period around puberty after which a newly learned language can never be spoken without an accent.
  • Studies using salivary assays show fans' testosterone levels rise or fall depending on whether their team wins or loses.
  • Research suggests a fan's libido and sexual behavior increase after their favorite team wins, via that testosterone bump.
  • Saad was charged about $8 for an espresso in Austin versus roughly $5 in Montreal.
  • Saad analyzes kosher pork and shellfish prohibitions as evolutionary food-safety adaptations in a pre-refrigeration world.
  • The 'inverted-U' / golden mean (too little and too much both bad) applies to exercise, alcohol, coffee, and fish consumption; Aristotle described it in the Nicomachean Ethics.
  • Full-blown gender dysphoria is estimated at roughly one in 10,000.
  • Canada's MAID assisted-dying program expanded in 2021 to include serious, chronic, non-life-threatening conditions.
  • A fitness ranking they pull up lists water polo near the top, prompting Rogan to argue wrestling is the most physically demanding sport.
  • They cite an FBI analyst's claim that as much as 80% of Twitter's users could be bots.