Shawn Ryan and Joe Rogan range across media distrust, the southern border, China, AI, UFOs, and ibogaine healing.

Shawn Ryan: Former Navy SEAL and CIA contractor turned host of the Shawn Ryan Show, a long-form podcast focused on military, intelligence, and veteran issues.
Joe Rogan hosts Shawn Ryan for a wide-ranging conversation that opens on UFO/UAP skepticism and government secrecy before moving into food additives, FDA corruption, and media manipulation. They spend significant time on election theater, the porous southern border, the Afghanistan withdrawal, and the national-security threat posed by China across the power grid, semiconductors, and espionage. The back half turns philosophical, covering AI as a possible new life form, remote viewing, lost human instincts, and alien abduction accounts. The episode closes with Shawn's personal ibogaine experience that ended his alcohol and Adderall addiction, plus the origin stories of both men's podcasts.
Yuka
“have you heard of the Yuka app no dude you got to get the Yuka app what is it so you basically scan anything food related”— Shawn Ryan
Hunter S. Thompson
“when he wrote Fear and Loathing on the campaign Trail so he created a rumor that Ed musky had a severe ibogaine addiction”— Joe Rogan
John Mack
“John Mack was a psychologist who was at Harvard who wrote this book I think it's called abduction”— Joe Rogan
Robert Lieberman
“the Travis Walton story you ever heard that one... did they make a movie about yeah Fire in the Sky I've seen it”— Joe Rogan
Michael Moore
“where's what is it Michael Moore's documentary the Flint Michigan one what is it called again Roger and me”— Joe Rogan
Lionsgate
“I used to teach weapons and tactics and I taught Keanu Reeves for John Wick 3 and then I got a lot of hate”— Shawn Ryan