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Tim Ferriss · 2021-12-14

How to Reboot Yourself and Feel Unrushed in the New Year — Jerry Colonna | The Tim Ferriss Show

Executive coach Jerry Colonna and Tim Ferriss explore how sabbaticals, rest, and facing discomfort help you reboot and feel unrushed.

How to Reboot Yourself and Feel Unrushed in the New Year — Jerry Colonna | The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

Jerry Colonna: CEO and co-founder of reboot.io, an executive coaching and leadership development firm. A former venture capitalist (Flatiron Partners, JPMorgan Partners) turned coach and author of the book Reboot.

What this episode covers

Jerry Colonna returns to the Tim Ferriss Show to discuss his practice of taking two-month sabbaticals annually for roughly a decade. He and Tim get tactical about how to set up sabbaticals, manage email and expectations, and avoid turning rest into another source of self-criticism. The conversation moves from practical plumbing into deeper territory: why people resist rest, the difference between hot and cold boredom, and how busyness and complexity often serve to avoid uncomfortable feelings. Tim opens up about sitting with a year of void, his struggles with loneliness, and his past suicide attempt, while Jerry reframes rest as a holy, restorative sabbath. They close by reading John O'Donohue's blessing for the exhausted and David Wagoner's poem 'Lost.'

Recommended on this episode

MediaRecommended

What About Bob?

“watch the movie what about bob which is which is a very good”
“for more on this watch the movie what about bob which is which is a very good anybody who watches the movie will get the reference”— Jerry Colonna
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Vagabonding

Rolf Potts

“after i read the book and gave it to many many many many many many people”
“a book called vagabonding by a now friend after i read the book and gave it to many many many many many many people i later became friends with the author ralph potts”— Tim Ferriss
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To Bless the Space Between Us

John O'Donohue

“the great irish poet the late irish poet has a book of blessing called to bless the space between us”
“john o'donoghue the great irish poet the late irish poet has a book of blessing called to bless the space between us and in it he has a blessing for those who are exhausted”— Jerry Colonna

The guest's own work

BookBy the guest

Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up

Jerry Colonna

“he is the author of reboot subtitle leadership and the art of growing up as i mentioned this is his second appearance on the podcast”— Tim Ferriss

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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Wall Street

“recounting part of the movie wall street with gordon gekko with the brick sized cellular phone walking on the beach iconic film greed is good etc”— Tim Ferriss
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One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

“like one flew over cuckoo's next and you weren't like working behind the desk you're actually sitting in there and playing chess with these people all day”— Tim Ferriss
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Squid Game

“rest is not you know zonking out on the couch to netflix latest binge watching streams squid game something right rest is turning the brain off”— Jerry Colonna
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Winnebago Revel (Sprinter van)

Winnebago

“i just put a reservation down on a sprinter van you know from winnebago the revel i can't wait to be able to climb into that”— Jerry Colonna
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Six Months Off

“there's a book that i read i want to say this was around 2004 2005 called six months off and i'm sure a lot of it is dated but it was focused on different approaches to taking sabbaticals”— Tim Ferriss

Big reveals from this episode

  • Jerry reveals he had taken nine straight years of two-month sabbaticals, with this past one being his tenth, only interrupted once because of the disruption of 2020.
  • Jerry discovered that taking sabbaticals made him a much better coach because he came back rested and could be more fully present for his clients.
  • Jerry's key tactical lesson is to set expectations in advance; when founding reboot in 2014 he insisted the financial model must allow him to take two months off per year or he wouldn't do it.
  • Jerry's reframing question: instead of 'How am I complicit in creating the conditions I say I don't want,' ask 'What benefit do I get from the conditions I say I don't want?'
  • Jerry argues the core driver of busyness and complexity is not wanting to be alone with one's own thoughts and feelings, citing Tara Brach's question 'What are you unwilling to feel?'
  • Tim discloses he spent roughly a year deliberately sitting with a 'void,' which became one of the most painful experiences of his life and ultimately felt unhealthy for his mental health.
  • Tim shares that in college he had a date on the calendar to kill himself, partly from being too alone and isolated, distinguishing his fear of feeling lonely from actually being alone.
  • Jerry reveals he attempted suicide at 18 and still makes his bed every day because that habit, learned in the mental hospital, keeps him from sliding back emotionally into that place.

Worth remembering

  • The word 'sabbatical' shares the same root as 'sabbath,' framing it as a holy time of rest and thinking differently rather than merely time off.
  • Bill Gates popularized the term 'think week,' which Jerry frames as the same impulse: not not-working, but working on something other than what you're normally compelled to work on.
  • Studies have shown that unlimited paid time off leads people to take less time off because there's no defined structure or norm around it.
  • Jerry's sabbatical away message once joked that his plan was to eat more gelato than read email, so if you got an email from him, he had failed.
  • Jerry notes that at the bottom of the Grand Canyon you are roughly four billion years into the past, calling it an extraordinary way to disconnect.
  • Jerry handed in 15,000 words of a planned 70,000-word manuscript, but says he was most productive when he stopped trying to be productive.
  • Jerry defines hot boredom as the achy discomfort of waiting in an interminable line, versus cold boredom, the calm, drama-free state reached deep into a meditation retreat that the mind actually needs.
  • Brad Feld introduced Jerry to the concept of a 'digital sabbath,' turning off devices from Friday until Sunday night.
  • Jerry references Irish poet John O'Donohue's book 'To Bless the Space Between Us,' which contains a blessing for the exhausted advising to 'steer clear of those vexed in spirit.'
  • The episode closes with David Wagoner's poem 'Lost,' which Tim calls his north star: 'Stand still. The forest knows where you are. You must let it find you.'