The guest
Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir: Stand-up comedians and podcasters (Legion of Skanks, SDR Show); Oakerson promoting his new special Dog Belly, which Shaffir helped produce and edit.
What this episode covers
A loose, three-hour comedy hang anchored by Joe Rogan's obsession with the cult documentary Holy Hell, which leads into a sprawling discussion of cult leaders, NXIVM, and the David Koresh and Charles Manson families. The conversation winds through psychedelics and the stoned-ape theory, surveillance and the proposed RESTRICT Act, Hollywood actors who wreck their bodies for roles, and a long string of gross-out bits about porn, GG Allin, and animal anatomy. Throughout, the trio promote Big Jay Oakerson's new YouTube special Dog Belly and the comedy scene at Rogan's Austin Comedy Mothership. Late in the episode Rogan lays out Tom O'Neil's book Chaos and its CIA/MK-Ultra theory of the Manson murders. It is mostly storytelling and comedy rather than product talk.
Recommended on this episode
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Holy Hell
Will Allen
“fascinating documentary man; I love when you watch one of these things”
“fascinating documentary man but uh I love all those things I love when you watch one of these things”— Joe Rogan
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Chaos
Tom O'Neil
“you should read this book called chaos; you got to read this book”
“you should read this book called chaos from Tom O'Neal it's GRE fit Simmons's neighbor”— Joe Rogan
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Liquid IV
“it tastes good and it's good for you it's really good after workouts”
“filled with electrolytes and it tastes good and it's good for you it's really good after workouts”— Joe Rogan
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The Menu
“that was great great movie”
“did you see the menu slow roast the movie the menu that was great great movie right”— Joe Rogan
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Trip Tank
“that thing's awesome”
“that was the show called Trip Tank that [ __ ] thing's awesome”— Joe Rogan
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Wild Wild Country
“that's the thing about these things when you watch the beginning of wild wild country same”— Joe Rogan
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Rosemary's Baby
“you got to realize this guy started this cult in 1981 he was an extra Rosemary's Baby”— Joe Rogan
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Tell Your Children
Alex Berenson
“Alex Baron wrote a book called tell your children and it's all about instances of uh psychotic breaks and schizophrenic breaks”— Joe Rogan
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The Machinist
“what homeboy did with The Machinist Christian Bale he got to death's door man you you ever see that”— Joe Rogan
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Dallas Buyers Club
“when MCC did Dallas uh Buyers Club he got [ __ ] up yeah that hurt him”— Joe Rogan
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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
“have you ever seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood picture that scene where Brad Pit's character picks up a Manson follower”— Joe Rogan
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American Psycho
“remember when American Psycho he goes back to the to that was in the book too it's even more graphic”— Joe Rogan
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Blow
“they couldn't with movie makeup and all the time in the world they couldn't make Johnny Depp as ugly as George Young”— Joe Rogan
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Cocaine Cowboys
“she was terrifying and she was in those Cocaine Cowboys documentaries”— Joe Rogan
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The Doors
“when I watched the doors when I was younger I thought it was the coolest thing because like his Defiance”— Big Jay Oakerson
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Bully
Larry Clark
“those kids from that bully movie like the true story of that like they dumped in the Everglades”— Joe Rogan
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Gummo
Harmony Korine
“like gumo like those kind of Harmony Karin type guys they make all those like [ __ ] kid movies”— Big Jay Oakerson
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The Walking Dead
“it's Negan in The Walking Dead you can [ __ ] Three Chicks and still you want to bank the guy who worships you”— Joe Rogan
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The Batman
“the new Batman was it Colin uh Ferell that handsome fell he was the penguin”— Joe Rogan
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Monster
“remember when they got um that hot lady to play Monster what's her name oh yeah char”— Joe Rogan
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Throw Momma from the Train
“Somebody went Throw Mama From the train and then realized he does absolutely look like Throw Mama From the train”— Joe Rogan
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Falcon Crest
“then he's on Falcon Crest is a heartthrob for a while uh which is I think Network that's a big Network”— Joe Rogan
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Renegade
“then he's Renegade for years probably his most successful thing yeah that was like a syndicated show”— Joe Rogan
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Stundenglass Gravity Bong (Mike Tyson edition)
Stundenglass
“I got a uh that Mike Tyson brand well the student glass brand but Mike Tyson version of the the gravity bong thing”— Joe Rogan
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Beyond Meat
“most of the time when people are eating a beyond meat Burger they know right”— Joe Rogan
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Impossible Whopper
Burger King
“I had the uh the one from uh Burger King once the impossible whoer was it it tastes identical”— Big Jay Oakerson
Big reveals from this episode
- Big Jay reveals he commissioned an animated stoned-ape-theory video years ago, then plays the wrong one on air.
- Big Jay Oakerson's special Dog Belly was filmed at Skankfest Vegas and is his first in seven years, with Ari Shaffir helping produce and edit it.
- Ari recounts Big Jay nearly passing out from back-to-back dabs on Legion of Skanks, captured on video.
- Rogan reveals Louis C.K. gave construction advice on the Comedy Mothership, leading them to lower ceilings and shrink stages.
- The Mothership's original location fell through because it was the building owned by the Holy Hell cult discussed earlier.
- Rogan summarizes Tom O'Neil's book Chaos, alleging the CIA/MK-Ultra dosed and guided Charles Manson to discredit the hippie movement.
- Manson lived in Beach Boy Dennis Wilson's house, racking up huge bills including STD treatments, and co-wrote a Beach Boys song.
Worth remembering
- Clearview AI scraped about 30 billion images from Facebook and social media and provided them to police for facial recognition.
- Psychedelics like psilocybin and lion's mane can spur neurons to sprout new dendrites and increase synapses.
- Terence McKenna's stoned-ape theory ties a doubling of human brain size over two million years to early primates eating mushrooms.
- In the Everglades, an estimated 99% of mammals are gone, with around half a million pythons and reported Nile crocodiles.
- A dead python in the Everglades was found with a 12-foot alligator inside its body.
- Mark Wahlberg gained roughly 30 pounds for a movie, and the hosts debate his alleged third nipple.
- The penis bone in walruses and many mammals is technically called a baculum.
- Noma in Copenhagen, repeatedly named best restaurant in the world, runs a 26-course tasting and announced it was closing.
- Crows reportedly recognize and harass specific people who have wronged them or other crows.
- Rogan cites the 1970 Schedule I drug act as partly designed to let authorities arrest anti-war protesters and Black Panthers.
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