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Tim Ferriss · 2024-04-23

Tim Ferriss with Kevin Rose — Live 10th Anniversary Random Show!

Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose mark 10 years of the Random Show live, covering crypto retirement accounts, accelerated TMS brain stimulation, dating, and time dilation.

Tim Ferriss with Kevin Rose — Live 10th Anniversary Random Show!
The guest

Kevin Rose: Kevin Rose with Tim Ferriss

What this episode covers

In this live 10th-anniversary edition of the Random Show, Tim Ferriss reveals his podcast crossed 1 billion downloads and reflects on a decade of interviewing. Kevin Rose shares how he converted his old retirement accounts into Bitcoin ETFs (choosing Franklin Templeton for the lowest fee) and the sale of his Proof NFT project to Yuga Labs. Tim does a deep dive on accelerated TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation), describing two rounds of treatment that eliminated his diagnostic criteria for OCD, anxiety, and depression. The pair also discuss social-connection tactics from Charles Duhigg's 'Super Connectors,' Android's Gemini AI, the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight, GLP-1 drugs, Kevin's dating life, and engineering experiential lifespan through time dilation.

Recommended on this episode

BookRecommended

Super Connectors

Charles Duhigg

“it's just a fascinating fun topic; I just want to throw it as a fun book to to tune into”
“super connectors is the book that I just am in the process of reading right now and it's really about a couple of things”— Kevin Rose
MediaRecommended

Pisces (track by Jinjer)

Jinjer

“the range is impressive with the vocalists involved; let's start with that track and uh so if you want something really strange to listen to you're welcome”
“there's a band called ginger j i n j r this is a Ukrainian metal core band it is super hardcore the range is impressive”— Kevin Rose
MediaRecommended

Sohn (musician)

Sohn

“so is amazing underrated; amazing music just to chill out to”
“SE so is amazing underrated I mean he's got some tracks that have like millions of views but like underrated like amazing music just to chill out to”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

The Drive (podcast)

Peter Attia

“also a great podcast; the drive podcast is fantastic”
“he tested petera also a great podcast yeah fantastic AA is great the drive podcast is fantastic”— Kevin Rose
BookRecommendedISBN verified

Outlive

Peter Attia

“take a look at that”
“we mentioned petera earlier outlive his book talks a lot about health span not just lifespan take a look at that”— Tim Ferriss
MediaRecommended

Awestruck (Johns Hopkins Magazine article)

Johns Hopkins University Magazine

“I recommend people check that out”
“there's a great article from John's Hopkins University magazine called Awestruck which actually put on my blog because it resonated with me so clearly I recommend people check that out”— Tim Ferriss
BookRecommended

book on the wisdom of Dharma by Sanjay Gupta

Sanjay Gupta

“he's awesome he's fantastic; it's another fantastic book to read”
“he wrote this book recently it's about the wisdom of Dharma and ancient techniques tying back to India and how we can incorporate them into Modern Life”— Kevin Rose
ProductRecommended

Henry Shukman meditation app (The Way)

Henry Shukman

“Henry's got a great meditation app; Henry is super legit; also good way to take 10 minutes and have a break”
“Henry's got a great meditation app that yeah Henry is super legit he's been uh on my podcast twice”— Kevin Rose

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

ProductReferenced

Franklin Templeton Bitcoin ETF

Franklin Templeton

“Franklin Templeton has the lowest expense ratio of all of these and so I just moved everything into Franklin Templeton's ETF”— Kevin Rose
ProductReferenced

Brainsway H7 Coil TMS System

Brainsway

“my first round was with a company called Brain Sway and they use a particular H7 coil they're developing new technologies that's effectively a helmet”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

Magnus Medical TMS System

Magnus Medical

“the second round was with uh Magnus Ventures and a different slightly different technology but it effectively looks like a paddle that is placed on the head”— Tim Ferriss
ProductReferenced

Oura Ring

Oura

“do you look at Aura data as well to see like am I getting the proper deep sleep am my you know”— Kevin Rose
ProductReferenced

Dexcom Continuous Glucose Monitor

Dexcom

“for me I would wear a Dexcom and my my glucose was just like stable as hell which was amazing”— Kevin Rose

Big reveals from this episode

  • Tim Ferriss reveals his podcast hit 1 billion downloads mid-last year, sharing it publicly for the first time, with the 10th anniversary one month away.
  • Kevin Rose converted three or four old retirement accounts (401k/Roth IRA) entirely into Bitcoin ETFs, moving everything into Franklin Templeton's fund for its lowest expense ratio to get tax-free gains at retirement.
  • Kevin sold his Proof NFT project to Yuga Labs, who want to build 'Roblox for adults,' and acknowledges he's done starting companies because he dislikes the scaling and human-management stage.
  • Tim did a deep dive on accelerated TMS over the last six months, undergoing two rounds (the SAINT protocol compressing 50 sessions into five days).
  • After the two TMS sessions, Tim no longer meets diagnostic criteria for OCD, anxiety, or depression, with three months of durability and the best sleep in decades.
  • Tim shares that after getting his sympathetic system 'smashed' by TMS, he couldn't orgasm for about two weeks, illustrating the risks of getting brain targeting wrong.
  • Kevin reveals his podcast was translated into Spanish and Japanese in his own and his guest's voice, with perfect lip-sync, to be released on YouTube.
  • Tim describes what he wants in a partner: not a clone of himself but someone he can mutually admire, distinguishing admiration (organic) from respect (which can carry obligation).

Worth remembering

  • Most Bitcoin ETFs use Coinbase for custody on the back end, while Fidelity does its own custody.
  • The SAINT protocol, developed in connection with Nolan Williams at Stanford, compresses 50 TMS sessions into five days using Theta burst stimulation.
  • TMS has the most data for depression, and competent psychiatrists feel it is finally delivering on its long-promised results.
  • Accelerated TMS from vetted outfits costs roughly 5K to 15K for the five-day period and is not covered by insurance; most people return for boosters every 3 to 6 months.
  • The human brain runs on roughly the electricity of a light bulb, and TMS works by activating/deactivating networks of brain activity.
  • Charles Duhigg's book 'Super Connectors' teaches reaching deep conversation quickly and building trust via questions, follow-up questions, and reciting back what someone said.
  • A research study found that writing down five conversation questions and putting them in your pocket eased anxiety even when the questions were never used.
  • GLP-1 inhibitors show a 20% reduction in cardiovascular events even after controlling for weight loss; they began as type 2 diabetes drugs for glucose control.
  • On GLP-1 drugs you lose muscle mass largely from insufficient protein/calorie intake, often requiring testosterone replacement therapy to counter it.
  • In Sanjay Gupta's book, research on high-energy people like Martha Stewart (more energetic in her 80s) found the secret is taking 10-minute breaks rather than back-to-back meetings.