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Joe Rogan · 2024-10-01

Joe Rogan Experience #2208 - Brigham Buhler

Healthcare insider Brigham Buhler exposes how Big Pharma, PBMs, and media owners profit from chronic disease in America.

Joe Rogan Experience #2208 - Brigham Buhler
The guest

Brigham Buhler: Former pharmaceutical and medical-device rep, compounding-pharmacy and lab owner, and founder of Ways2Well; testified before the U.S. Senate on chronic disease and healthcare corruption.

What this episode covers

Brigham Buhler recounts testifying before the U.S. Senate alongside figures like Casey and Calley Means about America's chronic disease crisis, arguing that food, pesticides, and a profit-driven medical system are making people sick. He details how pharmacy benefit managers, insurance companies, and asset managers like BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street profit from keeping Americans medicated rather than healthy. He shares his own journey from being pre-diabetic with a testosterone level of 98 to overhauling his health through nutrition and hormone optimization. He pitches proactive, AI-assisted, preventative care through his company Ways2Well as a cheaper alternative to the current sick-care model. The conversation also ranges across immigration, natural disasters, addiction, fitness, and the value of voluntary adversity.

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The guest's own work

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Ways2Well

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“one of the things that you guys do it waste to well is you do comprehensive blood analysis you know when I sit down with Denise my eyes glaze over”— Joe Rogan

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Big reveals from this episode

  • Buhler claims 1.7 to 1.9 million Americans die of chronic disease per year, more than all U.S. war deaths combined.
  • Senators privately advised the panel not to go too hard on the food and pharmaceutical industries, saying you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
  • The New York Post (which ran a hit piece on his pharmacy) and Eli Lilly share majority stockholders: Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street.
  • Buhler's own testosterone tested at 98 ('like a woman'), and a doctor told him he was fat with low testosterone.
  • He claims 13 of the last 15 FDA heads went to work for industry afterward.
  • He describes a blood test that can screen for over 200 cancers at stage zero, up to seven years before development.
  • He says he watched neurosurgeries performed on patients known to be dying because the hospital could bill $800,000.
  • After age 65, a hip or vertebra fracture carries a 15 to 35 percent chance of death within a year.

Worth remembering

  • The U.S. FDA had ~700 approved food ingredients in the 1950s; today there are over 10,000 chemicals, while Europe still allows ~700.
  • U.S. clinicians often have only about six minutes per patient and avoid deep diagnostic dives due to insurance reimbursement limits.
  • Buhler cites that 90-plus percent of Americans have glyphosate (Roundup) in their systems.
  • He states 5 percent of human brain mass is now made of plastics, a stat he says was presented in the hearing.
  • Idaho reportedly uncovered $230 million in PBM fraud in a single year.
  • Prioritizing protein (about one gram per pound of lean muscle mass) suppresses appetite and reduces insulin-driven cravings.
  • Over 70 percent of firefighters and military veterans develop cancer in their lifetime due to occupational carcinogen exposure.
  • Roughly 0.5 percent of males worldwide, and about 8 percent in parts of Asia, carry Genghis Khan's Y-chromosome lineage.
  • Rhesus monkey and 'Rat Park' studies showed that socially connected, nurtured animals resist drug overdose better than isolated ones.
  • Higher metabolic fitness and lean muscle mass lower all-cause mortality risk, even improving odds of surviving events like car accidents.