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Joe Rogan · 2024-12-11

Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman

DMT researcher Rick Strassman joins Joe Rogan for a sprawling talk on psychedelics, the Bible in ancient Hebrew, AI, and consciousness.

Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman
The guest

Rick Strassman: Psychiatrist and clinical researcher who ran the first U.S. government-sanctioned DMT studies; author of DMT: The Spirit Molecule and the new memoir My Altered States.

What this episode covers

Joe Rogan and psychiatrist Rick Strassman range across an enormous set of topics, opening with John Reeves' Alaskan bone 'Boneyard' and Strassman's year as a Fairbanks county psychiatrist. They dig deep into psychedelics, the DMT realm, whether its entities are real or cultural projections, and the dangers of spiritual narcissism in the psychedelic scene. A long middle stretch speculates about AI, neuralink, universal language, telepathy, and a possible post-biological future of humanity. Strassman, who retaught himself Biblical Hebrew over 16 years, discusses reading Genesis as if it were literally real, the Tower of Babel, Lilith, and the Nephilim. The conversation closes on COVID-era media narratives, ivermectin, fluoride, lead, stem-cell medicine, and ancient flood myths.

Recommended on this episode

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My Big TOE (Theory of Everything)

Thomas Campbell

“it's really good”
“that um The Theory of Everything book Thomas Campbell yeah it's really good yeah I'm in the middle of that right now”— Joe Rogan
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Ex Machina

A24

“I love that movie, one of our top 10 all-time favorite movies”
“then it's exmachina did you ever see X makina yeah I love that movie one of our top 10 all-time favorite movies”— Joe Rogan
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The Thing

John Carpenter

“one of my favorite movies”
“the version of The Thing by John Carpenter is my it was one of my favorite movies oh that was great”— guest
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First and Last Men

Olaf Stapledon

“one of my favorite books, it's an inspiring book”
“one of my favorite books is called first and last men it's by Olaf stapledon he's a British science fiction writer”— guest
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Wild Wild Country

Netflix

“I love that one, I was so blown away by it”
“Wild Wild Country well I love that one I read his book because I watched Wild Wild Country I was so blown away by it”— Joe Rogan
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Lion's Mane

Host Defense

“I take Lion's mane all the time”
“I take that stuff I take Lion's man all the time and I always wonder how would my memory be if I didn't take it”— Joe Rogan

The guest's own work

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The Soul of Prophecy

Rick Strassman

“one of the ideas I put out in that 2014 book on the prophetic State uh the soul of Prophecy I propose”— guest
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Joseph Levy Escapes Death

Rick Strassman

“that is the basis of that autobiographical novel I wrote a few years ago Joseph Levy escapes death yeah it's an account”— guest
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My Altered States

Rick Strassman

“alter States this is your book new book came out my Altered States and it is going to be available everywhere”— guest

Also referenced (named, not recommended)

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The Book of Five Rings

Miyamoto Musashi

“I'd read like The Book of five rings like Miyamoto Musashi I'd read a lot of psychology books I read books on discipline”— Joe Rogan
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30 Days of Night

Sony Pictures

“have you ever seen that movie 30 days of night it's a vampire movie 30 Days of Night was cooler”— Joe Rogan
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The Lost Boys

Warner Bros.

“with kefir Southerland no no that is the Lost Boys oh Lost Boys right 30 Days of Night was cooler”— Joe Rogan
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The Immortal Key

Brian Muraresku

“one of the interesting things about Brian Muraresku's book is that I don't think these ideas came from the drugs”— guest
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An American Werewolf in London

Universal Pictures

“things like the American Werewolf in London he used like a real physical thing and it looks like a physical thing”— Joe Rogan
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I Am Legend

Warner Bros.

“do you ever see I Am Legend it's a good example of it yeah I Am Legend was cool but it was like”— Joe Rogan
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The Book of Secrets

Osho

“I read it a few years back and I was like this a fascinating person it was the Book of Secrets he's got a Bento”— Joe Rogan
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Chariots of the Gods

Erich von Daniken

“I've seen Chariots of the Gods like 10 times I've watched a hundred interviews with this guy I really enjoyed chariot of the Gods”— Joe Rogan
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The 12th Planet

Zecharia Sitchin

“Zecharia Sitchin who wrote the 12th Planet and he wrote several other books he was a biblical scholar and a linguist”— Joe Rogan

Big reveals from this episode

  • Joe describes John Reeves recovering mammoth and bison bones from the East River that the American Museum of Natural History allegedly dumped there decades ago.
  • Joe and Rick speculate that recording dreams and entire psychedelic states via neural implants could be possible within decades.
  • Strassman recounts dreaming his washing machine broke while traveling, then calling home to learn it actually had broken.
  • Strassman says his clinical depression lifted in roughly 30 seconds while walking back from a work assignment at a Zen monastery.
  • Strassman reveals his near-fatal bout of pneumonia and C. diff in 2014 became the basis for his autobiographical novel Joseph Levy Escapes Death.
  • Joe explains he never got the COVID vaccine because scheduling delays and reports of blood clots and strokes in people he knew made him nervous.
  • They discuss reports of 3-DNA (three-parent) embryos and gene-edited 'super' babies allegedly already happening offshore in China.

Worth remembering

  • Strassman went skiing on a frozen Fairbanks river at 25 below zero and nearly skied onto a patch of open water in the middle.
  • He says the Northern Lights in Alaska were so quiet you could hear them hiss and crackle.
  • In extreme Alaskan cold, parked car tires flatten on the bottom and feel square until they warm up while driving.
  • The first known mention of Jerusalem appears around 2000 BCE in Egyptian execration texts (curses written on statuettes of bound foreigners).
  • Strassman retaught himself Biblical Hebrew over about 16 years, noting words called 'hapaxes' that appear only once in the whole text.
  • In Olaf Stapledon's First and Last Men, the final human species lives 35,000 years and communicates telepathically worldwide every 20,000 years.
  • Studies link high fluoride levels in water with lower IQ, and childhood lead exposure has reduced average IQ by about 2.6 points per person.
  • Strassman notes psychedelics like psilocybin, ketamine, and DMT promote neurogenesis, and Lion's Mane mushroom can too.
  • Sumerian scholar Zecharia Sitchin claimed the Anunnaki came from a planet on a 3,600-year elliptical orbit and engineered humans from primates.