The guest
Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin: British comedians and co-hosts of the Triggernometry podcast; Kisin is also an author and free-speech commentator
What this episode covers
Joe Rogan hosts Triggernometry's Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin for a sprawling, opinion-driven conversation. They argue that social media incentivizes outrage and that face-to-face conversation, free speech and the willingness to be wrong are the antidotes. Threads run through crime and policing, the failures of defunding the police, masculinity and gender ideology, immigration and borders, and the dangers of censorship in Canada and the UK. The back half drifts into AI and automation, war and historical atrocities, UFOs/UAPs, psychedelics as a replacement for religion, and a long boxing/MMA tangent about Ngannou, Fury, Wilder and Jon Jones. Throughout, the trio frame independent 'new media' podcasting as a vital corrective to corporate media's incentive structures.
Recommended on this episode
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The New Puritans
Andrew Doyle
“shout out to our friend Andrew Doyle in his new book the new Puritans Andrew is awesome”
“shout out to our friend Andrew Doyle in his new book the new Puritans Andrew is awesome did he ever get kicked off of Twitter”— Konstantin Kisin
Also referenced (named, not recommended)
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Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties
Tom O'Neil
“that's a Tom O'Neal book chaos which is fascinating story they what they were doing was trying to stop the anti-war movement”— Joe Rogan
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The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross
John M. Allegro
“that's the mushroom that John Marco Allegro wrote about when he wrote that book The Sacred Mushroom in the cross he was a guy who deciphered the Dead Sea Scrolls”— Joe Rogan
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The Immortality Key
Brian Muraresku
“that's Brian M rescue's book The immortality key where these people would travel to elus and partake in this ritual where they drank wine”— Joe Rogan
MediaReferenced
Escape from Tarkov
Battlestate Games
“there's this game I I play Escape from tarov that I just uh I shouldn't be allowed to play it it's not good for my family”— Konstantin Kisin
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Wolfenstein 3D
id Software
“Wolfenstein 3D that was the game where it just that felt kind of like the first time I saw Wolfenstein 3 3D which probably shows how old I am”— Konstantin Kisin
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Quake III Arena
id Software
“no way it's as exciting as playing like Quake 3 Arena online with a 30inch monitor and you're sitting right in front of it”— Joe Rogan
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Roblox
Roblox Corporation
“they play games yeah but fortunately one's one's really in the Roblox which Roo robloxs it's just like they have these little worlds they create”— Konstantin Kisin
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EverQuest
Sony Online Entertainment
“he was hooked on EverQuest you know that game remember that game remember that game Jamie do like massive old online multiplayer game you're a wizard”— Joe Rogan
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Magic: The Gathering
Wizards of the Coast
“it's kind of like playing you know Magic the Gathering or something I mean it is a game you're you're you're playing it to win it”— Joe Rogan
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Star Wars
George Lucas
“even in Star Wars they never made anything better go back to like Luke Skywalker like the first movie Star Wars and then to the last movie”— Joe Rogan
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I, Robot
Alex Proyas
“just roam to the streets like that Will Smith movie I Robot we're not far away from that man”— Joe Rogan
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Black Mirror
Charlie Brooker
“that's an episode of Black Mirror I bet did you ever see that one uh heavy metal where the uh the robot dog is chasing this lady”— Joe Rogan
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The War of the Worlds (1938 radio broadcast)
Orson Welles
“have you ever heard the story of War of the Worlds when it was broadcast on the radio and it created Pand pandemonium”— Konstantin Kisin
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Yellowstone
Taylor Sheridan
“if Trump lived in like John dutton's house on Yellowstone what you doing bro you should be balling”— Francis Foster
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The Terminator
James Cameron
“say what you like about the Terminator at least it didn't eat you this is so crazy what a good idea though”— Konstantin Kisin
ProductReferenced
Starlink
SpaceX
“starlink Oh Let's Get just get highspeed internet and fly it through the sky people keep seeing those things and thinking they're UFOs”— Joe Rogan
ProductReferenced
ChatGPT
OpenAI
“go on chat GPT and try to ask it some questions about trans you're oh boy that is that thing is um a little woke”— Joe Rogan
Big reveals from this episode
- Claim that around 3,000 people in the UK were arrested in 2018 over social-media posts.
- Lowe's reportedly lost nearly $1 billion to 'shrink' (theft) in 2022, up from $796 million in 2021.
- Canada's proposed bill would force podcast platforms making over $10 million revenue to register with the government and hand over content and listener data.
- Trudeau's government froze the bank accounts not only of trucker protesters but of people who donated to them.
- UK Royal Air Force found to have unlawfully discriminated against white male recruits in a push to boost diversity.
- DARPA's 'EATR' robot is designed to forage biomass for fuel, raising the prospect of a battlefield machine that consumes bodies.
- Per Tom O'Neil's book Chaos, 1970s US drug scheduling is argued to have been partly aimed at breaking up the anti-war and civil-rights movements.
- Francis recounts a mushroom-and-tobacco ceremony where he felt he experienced dying and came away convinced God exists.
Worth remembering
- Genghis Khan's conquests are said to have killed roughly 10% of the world's population, lowering humanity's carbon footprint.
- The WWII de Havilland Mosquito fighter plane was made almost entirely of wood, making it fast and nimble.
- Old depictions of Christmas feature the psychoactive Amanita muscaria mushroom and elves.
- Ancient wine vessels at Eleusis tested positive for ergot, suggesting participants in the Eleusinian Mysteries were tripping.
- A 'skyscraper-sized air purifier' built in China is claimed to cut pollution in a metro area by about 20%.
- India's average life expectancy rose from roughly 37 years at the 1947 partition to over 80 today.
- Nuclear power has caused fewer total casualties than hydro; one Chinese dam collapse killed more people than all major nuclear disasters combined.
- Estimates that 80-90% of ocean fish have been removed, and the Pacific Garbage Patch is larger than Texas.
- Much of the lithium the world needs sits in eastern Ukraine, which was projected to be the second-biggest producer after China.
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