Stanford's Nolan Williams explains accelerated TMS and ibogaine as rapid-acting, durable treatments for depression, addiction, and traumatic brain injury.

Dr. Nolan Williams: Psychiatrist and neuroscientist directing the Stanford Brain Stimulation Lab; developer of SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) and lead investigator on the Stanford ibogaine trial for veterans.
Tim Ferriss interviews Dr. Nolan Williams about a third 'circuit-based' era of psychiatry that treats mood disorders by rewiring brain networks rather than chasing chemical imbalances. Williams details SAINT/accelerated TMS, which compresses a six-week course of stimulation into about five days and produced remission in patients who had been depressed for years and failed multiple medications. He walks through the neuroscience of resting-state functional connectivity, a depression biomarker in which the cingulate fires before the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, and how this predicts treatment response. The conversation then turns to his Stanford ibogaine study in special-operations veterans with traumatic brain injury, soon to be published in Nature Medicine, including how he mitigated ibogaine's cardiac (torsades) risk with IV magnesium. Throughout, Ferriss shares his own experience undergoing two weeks of accelerated TMS and the two men speculate about the future of focal neuromodulation, focused ultrasound, and performance enhancement.
Rachel Nuwer
“She also has a great book on MDMA and MDMA-assisted psychotherapy, the history and implications that recently came out”— Tim Ferriss
National Geographic
“there's a great piece that came out in National Geographic not too long ago by journalist named Rachel Nuwer”— Tim Ferriss
Daniel Pinchbeck
“I come across this book Breaking Open the Head by Daniel Pinchbeck... He talks about his own personal experience of it, and then I read a lot about it.”— Dr. Nolan Williams
Neal Stephenson
“You look at Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson and he's very good. There are many, many examples”— Tim Ferriss
“What was the first antipsychotic? Dr. Nolan Williams: Thorazine.”— Dr. Nolan Williams
“What's the trade name for escitalopram? Do you know what people would know it as? Dr. Nolan Williams: Lexapro.”— Dr. Nolan Williams
“And citalopram, Celexa. So those drugs, and then you go to SNRIs, like Effexor”— Dr. Nolan Williams
“then you go to SNRIs, like Effexor, venlafaxine, and then into the tricyclics and monoamine oxidase inhibitors”— Dr. Nolan Williams
“Tikosyn, T-I-K-O-S-Y-N, is a drug that is approved for atrial fibrillation and it's an antiarrhythmic that can be pro-arrhythmic”— Dr. Nolan Williams
“You're replacing a higher-risk opiate with a lower-risk opiate, so that's Suboxone, which contains buprenorphine and methadone”— Dr. Nolan Williams
Novo Nordisk
“does it in any way tie into what we're seeing with some of these drugs... the semaglutide and Ozempic-like drugs”— Tim Ferriss
Novo Nordisk
“And also kind of similar to some of these Wegovy kind of drugs, you can drive down some of the pleasure”— Dr. Nolan Williams
Eli Lilly
“how does this compare to something like Semaglutide or an Ozempic or some of the newer gen, I think Mounjaro”— Tim Ferriss