Joe Rogan Experience #1885 Andy Stumpf & Mike Sarraille

Joe Rogan hosts retired SEALs Andy Stumpf and Mike Sarraille, who defend the brutality of SEAL training as essential preparation for combat and push back on media narratives that paint the teams as hazing-prone or politically corrupt. They discuss the viral CS-gas training video, the death of a recruit after hell week, the Eddie Gallagher case, and what BUDS really tests in a person's character. The conversation ranges widely into MMA fighting, Gordon Ryan's online behavior, weapons in cage fighting, and hip-resurfacing surgery. They close by promoting the Triple Seven Expedition, a seven-continent, seven-day skydive to raise $7 million for Folds of Honor, recounting a near-disastrous Iceland jump and Andy's parachute into Everest.

• A viral video of BUDS students being exposed to CS gas on San Clemente Island triggered a Navy investigation, which the guests argue is a normal, standard training evolution.
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• A SEAL recruit and former Yale football captain died of a staph infection and bacterial pneumonia shortly after completing hell week.
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• Mike defends friend Eddie Gallagher, acquitted of murdering an ISIS detainee, and says NCIS bugged the defense lawyer's emails and was never held accountable.
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• A small, unassuming 'little Asian kid' Mike misjudged in BUDS, Dr. Johnny Kim, earned a Silver Star, became a Navy doctor, and is now an astronaut by age 34.
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• Disney attempted to trademark the name of the unit that killed Bin Laden until the government stepped in.
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• Extortion 17 was the largest single loss of life in Afghanistan, killing 31 Americans, mostly SEALs, leaving roughly 25 children without fathers.
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• On an outsourced Iceland jump, altimeters were set 750 feet wrong, jumpers landed 3-5 miles off the drop zone, and one woman broke her leg.
  02:00:24
• Dr. Kirk Parsley estimates the average SEAL undergoes 11 surgeries over a 20-year career.
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• Andy accumulated 8 combat deployments at the elite tier versus the conventional SEAL norm of 2, cycling 90 days overseas and 180 days back.
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• An NCAA starting fullback didn't last two weeks of BUDS; a class that started with 250 men finished hell week with 25.
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• During hell week, candidates get roughly two hours of sleep total, around Wednesday, across a continuous Sunday-to-Friday grind.
  00:35:21
• The guests claim a Pentagon diversity chief wrote a book characterizing first responders as menaces and white supremacists.
  00:21:22
• Jiu-jitsu champion Gordon Ryan was canceled on social media for alleged bullying despite competing in a sport built on intimidation.
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• A doctor said Yoel Romero's eye ligaments and tendons are three times larger than a normal person's, and his fractured orbital healed unusually fast.
  01:03:52
• Michael Bisping fights with two artificial knees and one dead eye after his career; Dan Henderson's logo depicts him punching an unconscious Bisping.
  00:59:42
• Nine months after a hip-resurfacing surgery, Andy parachuted into some of the highest drop zones in the world near Everest.
  01:40:35
• Hip resurfacing is a 'young man's hip replacement' that lets hockey players and fighters like Frankie Edgar return to sport, but recovery is harder than a standard replacement.
  02:13:01
• Doctors can now inject stem cells directly into spinal discs, regenerating disc tissue and relieving bulging discs and pinched nerves.
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